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Post by taffy341 on Jul 28, 2007 6:29:57 GMT -5
Since there are no reports on finding some bones thought to be Bigfoot, how does Bigfoot handles its' dead? Elephants are intelligent animals and have burial grounds. Other intelligent hunting animals leave the dead where they die. Some animals go to caves, etc. when they are dieing of old age. Other animals that sleep in underground mounds are either left in the mound when they are dead or the dead animal is removed from the sleeping mound. Presuming that Bigfoot is group and/or family oriented, does it bury its' dead? Or if Bigfoot makes underground mounds to sleep in during the day, does it leave its' dead in one of these mounds?
Considering the ways that different animals handle the death of their species, what are some of the possible ways that Bigfoot would handle the death of one of their children or adults?
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Post by taffy341 on Aug 2, 2007 3:41:15 GMT -5
I don't know if gravel pits or quarys have any connection to where or how the Forest People bury their dead, however it seems that in different pit/quarys that some researchers report hearing vocals that maybe BF vocalizations. Autumn Williams on C2C stated that the majority of the vocalizations she heard/recorded were in different stone/gravel pits.
I understand that some of First Nations and other peoples will suck on stones to get the nutritional mineral content from the stones (you may of heard of 'stone soup'... cooking stones to make a mineral broth).
If the vocals in the gravel/stone pits/quarys were from BF voices, could they be collecting stones for nutritional content or did the stones have some connection to burial of their dead? Would the stones, if used to cover the body and then covered with dirt, help to stop the body from being dug up by other wild animals?
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Post by Paul on Aug 11, 2007 17:56:18 GMT -5
I would guess no, but I have no idea. I would think that like most animals they would go to a secluded/protected place to die. If they happened to have an unexpected death (from a heart attack, lead poisoning, etc), I think they would just lay where they died. I can't imagine any animal carrying another dead animal to a specific place as that would require them to expend valuable energy and in the wild, animals don't waste energy.
Now even if they just lay where they die, the remains will be gone very quickly (go try and find a dead bear in the woods). Add to the idea that BF likes very secluded places where people don't go and the chances of finding a dead BF seem very slim.
This all speculation though, in the end I have no clue.
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Post by buddharat on Aug 11, 2007 23:39:36 GMT -5
I come from a family of outdoorsmen and I know a lot of hunters. I'm not sure if BF would bury their dead, but even if they didn't, almost any hunter who hunts big game (bigger then a deer at least) will say that it's very rare, if not downright impossible to find a carcass of a large game animal. That's why it doesn't surprise me that BF bodies aren't found. It would seem if it's rare to see a bear body with their population, it would be near impossible to find a bf.
I never got why this true fact goes unnoticed when people site the fact that there hasn't been a body found as proof of no bigfoot. Oh well.
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Post by Paul on Aug 11, 2007 23:48:09 GMT -5
I come from a family of outdoorsmen and I know a lot of hunters. I'm not sure if BF would bury their dead, but even if they didn't, almost any hunter who hunts big game (bigger then a deer at least) will say that it's very rare, if not downright impossible to find a carcass of a large game animal. That's why it doesn't surprise me that BF bodies aren't found. It would seem if it's rare to see a bear body with their population, it would be near impossible to find a bf. I never got why this true fact goes unnoticed when people site the fact that there hasn't been a body found as proof of no bigfoot. Oh well. I will offer my opinion as to why that fact goes unnoticed.... Most people aren't outdoorsmen and don't know didly about what goes on outdoors.
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Post by buddharat on Aug 11, 2007 23:59:13 GMT -5
Yeah, good point, sorry.
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Post by taffy341 on Sept 18, 2007 5:25:38 GMT -5
Here is an interesting report of buried 'giants' in mounds. The location is in Ohio..... there are also more reports of 'giant' bones found buried in mounds through out the U.S. No update on any DNA since attempted on the bones.... the whole report is quoted below:
"OHIO Ohio and the Mound Builders
38 pound copper ax was found in one of the Hopewell mounds of Ohio.
Estimates of the number of moundworks in Ohio alone—at the end of the Colonial period—topped ten thousand. Today, less than one-twentieth of these exist in reconstructed form. ,
There were mounds situated in the eastern part of the village of Conneaut and an extensive burying-ground near the Presbyterian church, which appear to have had no connection with the burying-places of the Indians. Among the human bones found in the mounds were some belonging to men of gigantic structure. Some of the skulls were of sufficient capacity to admit the head of an ordinary man, and jaw bones that might have been fitted on over the face with equal facility; the other bones were proportionately large. The burying-ground referred to contained about four acres, and with the exception of a slight angle in conformity with the natural contour of the ground was in the form of an oblong square. It appeared to have been accurately surveyed into lots running from north to south, and exhibited all the order and propriety of arrangement deemed necessary to constitute Christian burial...
Historical Collections of Ohio in Two Volumes by Henry Howe, LL.D. (1888)
The first record of giants in Ohio can be traced back to 1829. A near by mound was being used to furnish the material to build a hotel in Chesterville. As they dug into the mounds, the workers dug up a large human skeleton. The local physician examining the skeleton said that the skull could have easily fit over a normal man's head with no difficulty. Another pecularity of the skeleton was the additonal teeth it had compared to modern man.
In the Ohio River Valley, Indian Mounds abound. In 1872,Seneca Township, Noble County, Ohio, in what is now called 'Bates' Mound three skeletons wre found. All three skeletons unearthed were at the very least eight feet tall in heighth with bone structure proportional to their height. Another amazing discovery about these skeletons is that they all had double rows of teeth.
Later, in 1878, another discovery in the county of Ashtabula County, Ohio. Mounds were excavated on land belonging to Peleg Sweet, a man of large features. In the first mound, theyt unearthed a skull and jaw which were of such size that the skull would cover Sweet's head and the jaw could be easily slipped over his face. Excavating further, they discovered these mounds contained the graves estimated between two and three thousand. Many of the skeletons found were of gigantic proportions. According to Indian Legend there were two different races of strange humans that pre-existed their culture. One was the Archaic people who had slender bodies with long narrow heads.. The other group was the Adena people who had a massive bone structure with a short head. The Archaics were living in the Ohio River Valley prior to the Adenas. In what is assumed to be around 1000 BC, the Adenas moved into the area , coming up from the South, to claim dominion over the land. After a great war, the Archaics were destroyed by this more advanced and powerful race. From the Adenas the art of mound building was established . David Cusic, a Tuscorora by birth, wrote in 1825 that among the legends of the ancient people there was a powerful tribe called Ronnongwetowanca. They were giants, and had a "considerable habitation." He states that when the Great Spirit made the people, some of them became giants. They made themselves feared by attacking when most unexpected. After having endured the outrages of these giants for a great long time, the people banded together to destroy them. With a final force of about 800 warriors, they successfully annihilated the abhorrent Ronnongwetowanca. There were no giants anywhere after this, it was said. This was supposed to have happened around 2,500 winters before Columbus arrived in America, i.e. circa 1,000 B.C.-the time that the Adena seem to have arrived in the Ohio Valley.
Modern day archaeology and anthropology have literallly sealed the doors to the true history of our ancestors. Archeological discoveries have become a one way door. What was discovered went to the Smithsonian Institute and others like it where the contents have been virtually sealed off to all but the elite few. But by digging through the archives of old newspapers, remaining documents, diaries and Indian legends we can form some idea as to what laid in our past.
The Scientific American, in 1883, published the following account:
Two miles from Mandan, on the bluffs near the junction of the Hart and Missouri Rivers, says the local newspaper, the Pioneer, is an old Cemetery of fully 100 acres in extent filled with bones of a giant race. This vast city of the dead lies just east of the Fort Lincoln road. The ground has the appearance of having been filled with trenches piled full of dead bodies, both man and beast, and covered with several feet of earth. In many places mounds from 8 to 10 feet high, and some of them 100 feet or more in length, have been thrown up and are filled with bones, broken pottery, vases of various bright colored flint, and agates ... showing the work of a people skilled in the arts and possessed of a high state of civilization. This has evidently been a grand battlefield, where thousands of men ... have fallen. ...Five miles above Mandan, on the opposite side of the Missouri, is another vast cemetery, as yet unexplored. We asked an aged Indian what his people knew of these ancient grave yards. He answered: "Me know nothing about them. They were here before the red man."
From the Ironton Register, a small Ohio River town newspaper, dated 5 May 1892,:
Where Proctorville now stands was one day part of a well paved city, but I think the greatest part of it is now in the Ohio river. Only a few mounds, there; one of which was near the C. Wilgus mansion and contained a skeleton of a very large person, all double teeth, and sound, in a jaw bone that would go over the jaw with the flesh on, of a large man; The common burying ground was well filled with skeletons at a depth of about 6 feet. Part of the pavement was of boulder stone and part of well preserved brick. ----------------------------------------------------- Evidence for the occupation of this region before the appearance of the red man and the white race is to be found in almost every part of the county, as well as through the northwest generally. In removing the gravel bluffs, which are numerous and deep, for the construction and repair of roads, and in excavating cellars, hundreds of human skeletons, some of them of giant form, have been found. A citizen of Marion County estimates that there were about as many human skeletons in the knolls of Marion County as there are white inhabitants at present!
The History of Marion County, Ohio 1883 compiled from past accounts, published in 1883 ----------------------------------------------------------
Mastodonic remains are occasionally unearthed, and, from time to time, discoveries of the remains of Indian settlements are indicated by the appearance of gigantic skeletons, with the high cheek bones, powerful jaws and massive frames peculiar of the red man, who left these as the only record with which to form a clew to the history of past ages.
The History of Brown County, Ohio (complied from past accounts, published in 1883) ------------------------------------------------------------------ She said also that three skeletons were found at the mouth of the Paw Paw Creek many years later, while Nim (Nimrod) Satterfield was justice of the peace. Jim Dean and some men were digging for a bridge foundation and found these bones at the lower end of the old buffalo wallow. She thought it was Dr. Kidwell, of Fairmont, who examined them and said they were very old, perhaps thousands of years old. She said that when the skeletons were exposed to the weather for a few days, their bones turned black and began to crumble, that Squire Satterfield had them buried in the Joliffe graveyard (Rivesville). All these skeletons, she said, were measured, and found to be about eight feet long. Now and Long Ago-A History of the Marion County Area by Glen Lough (1969) (This citation on West Virginia courtesy Dave Cain.)"
"SERPENT MOUND
One of the most interesting earthworks lies next to Bush Creek, Adams County, Ohio. It is the Great Serpent mound and it is the most famous earthwork in North America and the largest serpent image in the world.
It measures 1,254 feet in length along its curves, and it was built on the edge of an inner crater, within an outer crater four miles wide
that was created by the impact of a meteorite. The area contains a magnetic anomaly that was produced by the impact and to this day, a compass won’t work around the site.
The astronomical significance of this site is that it is aligned with the sun and the seasons. There is place on each coil of the serpent at which a point of celestial illumination occurred throughout the year. Each point represented the equinoxes and the solstices and the coming seasons. It has also been suggested that the seven loops of its body and tightly winding tail represent the seven stars of Ursa Minor and their annual rotation around the pole star. A document dated March 3 1880 records an excavation in Brush Creek Township, Muskingurn County. A site was excavated on the farm of J.M. Baughman. In this particular muond was discovered the bones of men and women, buried in couples . The length of their skeletons exceeding eight and even nine feet! The excavation was started in early December 1870.
What is most interesting and IMPORTANT here is the discovery of a large stone tablet inscribed with an ancient eastern form of writing. These are what is now refered to as the Brush Creek Tablets. *See Morman Tablets
Modern anthropologists have put forward the theory that once the giants existed in great number, and were the dominant race prior to the advent of modem and smaller races of men and women. Being warlike, they diminished their number in great wars (as the thousands of mound burials in the Ohio River Valley attest), and were eventually subjugated by the smaller, but more numerous races. Although the giants of yesteryears may have been destroyed, the genes still rise in modern man ie. children born with 6 toes or fingers, double rows of teeth and giant sizes such as shown in the picture at the top of the page. Click below to see the Ohio Mounds Presentation
We can find another example of the existence of giant 'bearded' men, through the tradition of the Chippewa, Sandusky, and Tawa tribes., "In this connection I would say that Mr. Jonathan Brooks, now living in town, stated to me, that his father, Benjamin Brooks, who lived with the Indians fourteen years, and was well-acquainted with their language and traditions, told him and others that it was a tradition of the Indians that the first tribe occupying this whole country, was a black-bearded race, very large in size, and subsequently a red bearded race or tribe came and killed or drove off all the black beards, as they called them." The Firelands Pioneer (1858) A mound near Toledo, Ohio, held 20 skeletons, seated and facing east with jaws and teeth "twice as large as those of present day people," and besides each was a large bowl with "curiously wrought hieroglyphic figures." (Chicago Record, Oct. 24, 1895; cited by Ron G. Dobbins, NEARA Journal, v13, fall 1978) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
In 1826, a well dug near the Ohio river in north Cincinnati failed to produce water, but did produce the unexpected. From a level 94 feet down, a buried tree stump was brought to the surface which showed the marks of an ax. The marks were deep and well-cut, indicating the use of a sharp and durable blade.The suspicion that the ax had been made of metal was confirmed when, embedded in the top of the stump, an advanced oxidized wedge of iron was found. The layer from which the stump came was estimated to be between 50,000 and 75,000 years old - nearly 10 times the accepted age of the supposed first metal usage. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Los Angeles News of December 17, 1869 printed an account supplied to the paper by a correspondent of the Cleveland Herald, writing from Wellsville, Ohio. The account described how in the autumn of the year, at a coal mine operated by a Captain Lacey of Hammondville, a miner named James Parsons was loosening a large mass at a depth of 100 feet, when he suddenly exposed a smooth slate wall covered with strange alphabetic writing. The letters were raised and well defined. The coal that had covered the wall bore their distinct impression - which means the letters date to a time when the coal was in a vegetable state, and had molded itself against the wall. Each sign was three-quarters of an inch in size, and arranged in rows precisely spaced 3 inches apart. The first line of letters contained 25. Local teachers and ministers examined the find, but could offer no explanations. Unfortunately, just before a number of university professors arrived to verify the discovery, the slate surface disintegrated from exposure to air, and the script was lost. Nevertheless, the find was well-documented, and attested to by several reliable witnesses. But the most disturbing fact about the mysterious slate wall and its glyphs was their undeniable presence in coal - coal from the Carboniferous era, well over 200 million years old. "
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Post by darrenbonk on Sept 18, 2007 15:42:52 GMT -5
Hey, don't turn on me buddy. Its bad enough I have the believers against me I don't need you against me also. Like I said both times I was banned I deserved it and have changed my ways.
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