Proof?

[dbonk]

Where is the actual proof that Todd has found Bigfoot? Surely not the short and shaky video he has provided! If this mammal has been around for 1000 of years why have we not found any skelatal remains? Surely for the species to survive there must be a population of hundreds. Yet the only proof so far is that crappy video which to me in no proof at all. And why does the video stop after the animal crouches? Mmmmmmmm. Pretty suspicious. I think Todd is trying to pull the wool over our eyes however I am not sure of his motives. Maybe an environmentalist trying to save a certain area of BC. Who knows. Up until now I have not seen any evidence to support his theory that Bigfoot exists.

[ricox]

Like Todd has said, over and over; he isn't out to prove BF's existence to you or me. He is on a quest to prove it to those whom can help in his plight to get "him" recognized as a species and then to get him protected. As you know, if everyone is convinced he is out there, he will have little chance to live on much longer. Every mother's son will be out gunning for him.

Question for you sir: I understand you have never seen him with your own eyes. But lots of very credible ppl have. Is it your opinion that they are all simply accomplished fiction writers? I mean give me a break. I have never seen a giant squid, but I am satisfied they exist.

[dbonk]

Numerous giant squids have been caught and photographed and so there is little doubt of their existance. The only proof of bigfoot have been eye witness reports (which even the police are hesitant to use) and a bunch of shaky poor quality video. Comparing BF to the giant squid is pathetic.

[dbonk]

In addition to the above. Why is it that scientists can find a 10,000 year old ant inside a piece of amber but no one can find skelatal remains of Bigfoot? And don't tell me they bury their dead.

[ricox]

OK thanks. You did indeed answer my question. nuff said to you

[The Truth]

I have been fascinated by Bigfoot since I saw the original Roger Patterson presentation as a kid at the Spokane Coliseum in the '60's. I WANTED him to exist. Since that first alleged motion capture of the animal 40 years ago, it is still the best piece of info out there and yet it is highly inconclusive. Since then we have endless partial videos and stills of blurred or shadowy figures, blogs with neverending discussions on all the possible details surrounding this mystery, and plenty of excuses why there is nothing solid. He has now been sighted in all 50 states, as well as many countries in the world, and yet we still don't have anything close to a decent photo of him, even with the proliferation of digital cameras and portable camcorders that can hang around your neck like a piece of jewelry. I think the discussion is interesting and I regularly tune in to the various places on the web specializing in this subject. But I gotta tell ya, as much as I want to believe it, in my heart of hearts I know this is nothing more than a popular urban legend, revived in the 50's by a man named Ray Wallace, and capitalized on by scores of present day snake oil salesmen. Just give me ONE CLEAR PHOTO, not even a video, of this animal, as good as is taken every day by amateur wildlife photographers of grizzly bears and elk, and I will eat my words. I have a certain feeling that I will be hungry for a looooooong time......

[sasqautchwitness]

For people who think finding skeletal remains will be easy, and that scientists should have them by now, do this....eat another dozen chicken wings, go ahead...chow down...then wash the bones to remove any sauce or flavorings left, drive to biggest,most heavily wooded area you can find, walk into the woods and set the chicken bones down in a pile.anywhere in the woods,go ahead...set them by a tree then paint a big red x on the tree just to help you find the spot again. Then walk away....wait exactly one week. Return to youre painted tree...I will bet my grandmothers prosthetic left foot that 95 to one hundred percent of the bones are gone or are scattered throughout the forest and never seen again. this is a natural
ccurence of things, mice squirrels and chipmunks use the bones to wear down ever growing teeth..coyotes, bobcats and even larger predators have taken the bones for sustenance. Great whites exist yet people never find a shark that dies of old age, or a bear, or an elk it just doesnt happen.
Do I nesscarily believe Mr.Standing, In the fact that he has seen Sasquatch, Yes I do. People have only been on this continent keeping record for the last 450 years or so...Even Lewis and Clark told a tale of being watched by a sasquatch like creature. I myself have had two encounters with sasquatch, and on many occasions heard vocalizations at night that are not from any reognized animal.
I have spent most of my 23 years in or near the woods as a hunter and fisherman and will,til my dying day believe that sasquatch is real.
I would like to help preserve these creatures as much as the next guy, But i think skeletal remains will be like finding an eskimo in arizona, aint gonna happen.
People who want to criticize the efforts of a man they don't know are simply scared of the truth. I do not as a rule take anything anyone else says as gospel. I think Mr. Standing is a braver man than most for doing the things he's done, and maybe instead of knocking someone else's work people cpuld find proof that bigfoot doesn't exist. Show me facts and witnesses equal to the facts and witnesses who will argue in favor of sasquatch.

[The Truth]

" maybe instead of knocking someone else's work people cpuld find proof that bigfoot doesn't exist. Show me facts and witnesses equal to the facts and witnesses who will argue in favor of sasquatch"

The onus for proof is not on the skeptic, but on the propagator of the alleged story. I could come up with any number of things I want you to believe, but the burden of proof would be on me, not on you to prove me wrong. I could rant all day, point to countless pieces of circumstantial evidence, and DEMAND that you believe me, but at the end of the day it would prove absolutely nothing. The proof I'm looking for would be ONE CLEAR PHOTO, the type as is seen taken every day by amateur photographers with normal quality cameras of elk, deer, bears, etc. It would be extremely interesting and a monumental moment in history if someone produced one, but I'm not holding my breath......

[The Truth]

"Like Todd has said, over and over; he isn't out to prove BF's existence to you or me. He is on a quest to prove it to those whom can help in his plight to get "him" recognized as a species and then to get him protected. "

I'm afraid Todd will find it much harder to prove to those who have the authority to recognize and protect a species, than to you and me.

I'll tell you what Todd is doing. He has found an area of popular interest in a world that craves this kind of thing and is capitalizing on it. It could be for eventual financial reward, for notoriety and fame, or just for the attention he never had as a child. Cloaked with words like, "hard science", "species protection", he hopes to give this scam validity. It will be interesting to see how long he can hold people's attention with that ever elusive promise of evidence that everyone is waiting for and yet somehow is never produced. When interest starts waning then he'll have to shift focus time and time again to peripheral issues surrounding it, which could last awhile depending on his talent for showmanship and ability to convince the gullible. BUT EVENTUALLY even the the most loyal will tire out and lose interest, and the blame will fall on everyone and everything surrounding him. It is the well documented and proven cycle of the charlatan through history, and much time and attention has been wasted in this area. My interest lies in the extremely interesting phenomena of people today trying to pull off this kind of thing in a sceptically scientific world that worships reason and fact. Good luck, Todd, I'll be watching....

[whodat]

Now, when it comes to taking photos or video footage, there are many very good digital cameras in the 7.2 to 10 magepixel range. Most of these cameras can be purchased for under $400 US. Most have anti-shake mode or stable image mode. I have the very small Casio Exilm75 7.2 megapixel camera. This compact camera can stop a dragster going 300+ miles per hour and, the photos are perfect. Also, in video mode, the anti shake works wonders. Just to see how well it worked, I moved my hand in a rapid up and down motion while shooting in this mode. it removed the shaking and I got a stable video. Now, with all of the good cameras out there for under $400, why can't you seem to get any stable footage? One has to wonder about this......

[darrenbonk]

Sasquatchwitness-How can you compare a bunch of chicken bones to the skelatal remains of a supposed 600lb mammal? What a load of crap. Just the head would weigh 50lbs or so. And yet not one bone or hair has been found of this animal. Why. Because that would be direct proof. Like myself and others have said... We wand bigfoot to exist but to date all we have seen is a bunch of poor quality video and pics and lame eyewitness reports. And remember this creature has been seen all over the world and yet we have no real evidence. I agree with the others. Once Todds 15min of fame is over he will go away.

[Kenneth Barr]

The said:

I'll tell you what Todd is doing. He has found an area of popular interest in a world that craves this kind of thing and is capitalizing on it. It could be for eventual financial reward, for notoriety and fame, or just for the attention he never had as a child. Cloaked with words like, "hard science", "species protection", he hopes to give this scam validity.

I have to admit, I love when people come on the forum and make assertions like the above; mainly due to the fact that words like these will be eaten in due course, but also due to the incredible narrow-minded perception of things as they presently are.

The validity of what Todd is doing is all over the web site. Images of Bigfoot that he captured back in 2005. The struggle he has endured fighting for legal protection. All these things he has done now for five years without measure of ANY financial reward. There are propaganda reports circulating on various forums about the money Todd MUST be bathing in, (negative and unsubstantiated speculation without a shred of truth) but any money he has earned at the showings goes to local Humane Societies and any money generated from the website goes to maintaining the website. Todd still pays out of his pocket every month continuing his research, and that is fact.

Notoriety and fame is NOT something somebody can achieve by pursuing Bigfoot, unless the notoriety and fame you are seeking is as a joke and something to snicker at. It certainly will not last, nor will it be a launching pad for anything else. Usually Bigfoot hunters have their 15 minutes in the spotlight then vanish. With everything an intelligent and skilled individual like Todd could do to achieve fame, chasing Bigfoot certainly isn’t the most logical choice.

Comments like you made about “attention as a child” and “scam” illustrates better than I ever could your breadth of ignorance and judgmental perceptions. To resort to base rhetoric and juvenile name calling in a vale attempt to vilify Todd or besmirch his character is something he, and we, have grown quite accustomed to over the 5-year journey this has taken us on. Though I do not wish to reward an individual like yourself with your myopic perception of what we’re doing (as it is commonplace to be simply discounted on a surface understand rather than weighing ALL the information be have presented on this site and in the past before drawing wild and unsubstantiated opinions) the point must be tendered that we are currently in the process of obtaining the next conclusive piece evidence that Todd said he was going to. This was one of the major things he wanted to break on Coast To Coast but was not allowed to by Ian Punnett and his producers. Todd will be speaking more on this in an upcoming video.

whodat said:

Now, with all of the good cameras out there for under $400, why can't you seem to get any stable footage? One has to wonder about this...

Back in 2005 these level of cameras were not available at the cost level you’re speaking of, the most someone had was 3 megapixels without all the bells of whistles available now. Baring that the camera used to capture this footage was a consumer brand MiniDV, which was essentially a palmcorder that even with digital stabilization was be somewhat shaky. Currently we have motion capture 10 megapixels still cameras, and full HD 1080i video camera with the proper prime zoom lens and that is what we are using in the capture of the next footage to ensure the highest quality images.

[darrenbonk]

The fact remains that if Todd was able to actually prove in the existance of bigfoot it would be the greatest discovery of the century and to date I have seen nothing other that a crappy piece of shaky video. As I mentioned for the species to survive there would have to be dozens of them, not one or two. Where is the unrefutable evidence? Show it to me and I to will believe. Until then I think Todds 15min of fame is up.

[Kenneth Barr]

darrenbonk said:

Sasquatchwitness-How can you compare a bunch of chicken bones to the [skeletal] remains of a supposed 600lb mammal? What a load of crap. Just the head would weigh 50lbs or so. And yet not one bone or hair has been found of this animal. Why[?] Because that would be direct proof. Like myself and others have said... We [want] bigfoot to exist but to date all we have seen is a bunch of poor quality video and pics and lame eyewitness reports. And remember this creature has been seen all over the world and yet we have no real evidence. I agree with the others. Once Todds 15min of fame is over he will go away.

To address the statement of no real evidence: Barring foot casts and vocalizations, (which through intensive study we are of the opinion that they offer no real proof) there is a collection of indisputable evidence that has been gathered since the early 60’s. In China they gathered an intact lower jawbone of a primate and through study it was later widely accepted that the species Gigantopithecus did in fact exist. They have since mapped genealogy, ascertained periods of arrested development, discovered dietary behaviours and even evidence of potential migration. Since the 60’s across North America numerous hair samples have been discovered and tested by respected scientific Universities such as Harvard and Oxford. To date there are a collection of 13 specimens still in the labs that have not been destroyed through testing. Each of these specimens have tested as “Species Of Unknown Origin” and stand as evidence of a yet uncharted primate species. From around the mid 1980’s through into the 90’s there were a collection of DNA samples sent out for testing. The results of some of these tested were “Species Of Unknown Origin”, but others mysteriously vanished or were official lost by the labs. And finally almost every First Nations Tribe across North America has words, art or ceremonies depicting Bigfoot; all of these things are similar in image and design though some tribes are thousands of miles apart and would never have interacted with each other.

Now to address the remains of a 600lb animal in the wilderness: It is a known fact among zoologists and ecologists that an ecosystem in proper balance is a living organism designed to recycle and ingest remains and waste. It is fact that to find the skeletal remains of a grizzly or black bear is near impossible, and to find one that has died of natural causes is unheard of; and these are known species widely accepted as existing. An ecosystem working properly can dispose of a full bear carcass, bones and all, within 40 days or less. Save for remnants of bone and hair there will be no full bones or definable skeleton, and within a few weeks from that there will be no trace whatsoever that the beast ever fell there.

It is also common knowledge that, for the most part, when a bear grows old or has come to the time of its death, that its instinct is shelter. For an animal to crawl into a cave to die would allow these ecosystem elements to work away on the carcass unimpeded for a much longer time. How many people, in deep woods, can spot caves let alone go into them? If you ever have you will agree that remnants of bone throughout a cave system is commonplace, though they are sporadic and never whole. This is what bears have been observed doing, so we have developed a theory, in connection with the discovery in China, concerning the deaths of Bigfoot. They too could utilize caves as burial grounds for either their fallen dead, or for those about to die going into them on their own accord. The ecosystem of a cave environment is even better equipped at the consuming and disposal of dead carcass’, something a number of oubliettes can attest to as well.

Finally I find this constant referral to “Todd’s fame” disquieting to say the least. There is no fame here boys and girls. There is hard work and heartache, there is ridicule and laughter, there is criticism and subterfuge but no fame. Todd has taken this on because he BELIEVES in what he’s doing, and that what he’s doing will potentially better the world through this discovery. He has devoted five years of his life and offered out to the public a image and persona for nay-sayers and disbelievers to take pot shots at which they have with clear abandon. He has also gone out of his way, through the promotion of species protect, to stigmatize himself from a cross-section of the cryptozoology world, a cross-section that believes, nay insists that murdering one of these animals is the only way to prove their existence. Todd has done this because he is an activist, and believes that proper, moral scientific study can be conducted without the killing of one of these animals. He has turned down exposure on Fox, money for the purchase of his other videos for broadcast, interviews with mass media all because it conflicts with his beliefs and ultimate goals. He would rather tour his film, gather signatures, and continue hard scientific study out of the public eye until he makes the discovery. Does this honestly sound like a man hungering for fame? I didn’t think so.

[The Truth]

"I have to admit, I love when people come on the forum and make assertions like the above; mainly due to the fact that words like these will be eaten in due course"......

I would like NOTHING MORE than to eat my words, I would LOVE to see REAL evidence of Bigfoot, it would be the fulfillment of a childhood dream. My fork and sthingy are ready, so dish it up...

The fact remains that the very tools of technology to prove Bigfoot's existence have been on the North American continent for almost 500 YEARS since the Spanish came, that is:GUNS. You'd think somewhere in almost 5 centuries the dead carcass of a gun killed Bigfoot would have made it to a rational sector of civilization that would have seen to cataloging the specimen for science. Lewis and Clark did this very thing during their trip to the northwest with antelope, prairie dogs, and other animals until that time unknown to western science. But no Bigfoot, or even a bone or skin of one. The next piece of technology that has been on the American continent that could prove the existence of one is something that's been here since the late 1840's, over 160 years: the camera. Still no dice. I, personally have been waiting for 40 years, since Roger Patterson's presentation at the Spokane Coliseum in 1967. How much longer must I wait? Will my great grandkids get a peak? Or will it conveniently be declared extinct before it's even discovered? There needs to be some reality here to counter all the Tom Foolery....

As to giving credit to all of Todd's hard work: he has offered us nothing but smoke and mirrors and no doubletalk can change that. Just offer up the goods, if you have it.....