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Aug 6, 2007 19:54:38 GMT -5
Post by malyss on Aug 6, 2007 19:54:38 GMT -5
The one thing that amazes me on this forum is how many people come on here as a 'guest' and offer up their opinion, and call names and assume when they obviously have not taken the time to familiarize themselves with the history and aims of Todd's work. They demand it all yet offer nothing. Surprise, surprise...welcome to the greed generation. I wonder if any of you would believe it if there was a BF carcass right in front of you. Secondly, I don't think anyone cares if you believe it or not. It's not a high-school popularity contest kids! I personally am here to see what Todd does have to say and to learn about something I don't know. Whether our hairy relative exsists or not I'm all for the preservation of natural habitat period so GODSPEED to anyone who is working for it regardless of the species they aim to protect. I firmly believe that there are things out there that we don't understand, and I am far from being narcissistic enough to think I know everything there is to know. We get that there are skeptics...nuff said. Please keep your negativity to yourself or save your brilliance for your family and friends if you have any. We don't need it here.
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Aug 6, 2007 21:45:27 GMT -5
Post by The Truth on Aug 6, 2007 21:45:27 GMT -5
"The one thing that amazes me on this forum is how many people come on here as a 'guest' and offer up their opinion, and call names and assume when they obviously have not taken the time to familiarize themselves with the history and aims of Todd's work. They demand it all yet offer nothing. Surprise, surprise...welcome to the greed generation."
This is the kind of response that happens when there's no more facts to discuss or rebuttal to offer: just trash the discussion. I thought the title of this forum segment was, "Proof?" (or lack therof) and that's what we were doing. If you want a bunch of Koolaid Drinkers then just close it down to "positive" bloggers only and have your own little party patting each other on the back and skirting the real issue: where is the actual proof of the existence of Bigfoot? The cold hard truth is that there is no proof and it's a hard nugget to swallow... But please don't let me disrupt your entertainment.
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Aug 7, 2007 1:15:50 GMT -5
Post by sasquatchwitness on Aug 7, 2007 1:15:50 GMT -5
"Sasquatchwitness-How can you compare a bunch of chicken bones to the skelatal remains of a supposed 600lb mammal? What a load of crap. Just the head would weigh 50lbs or so. And yet not one bone or hair has been found of this animal. Why. Because that would be direct proof. Like myself and others have said... We wand bigfoot to exist but to date all we have seen is a bunch of poor quality video and pics and lame eyewitness reports. And remember this creature has been seen all over the world and yet we have no real evidence. I agree with the others. Once Todds 15min of fame is over he will go away. " d- bonk
Chicken bones were simply an example of what happens when nature takes its course. Now say an animal that is a mammal dies and begins to decompose. hair continues growing for weeks.but skin,muscle, fat and mucus membranes dry up, become fill with bacteria and are eaten from the inside out. Now think about whats inside bones,Marrow. A fatty substance that animal wild animal would go nuts over because of its nutrient rich protein make up.Then you have scavengers and predators who would find this easy pickins'. Now factor in climate, weather and altitude. And now you have large hollow bones. My 45 pound beagle can carry his 5 lb. rawhide around for hours, and my pit-husky mix who weighs almost 80 pounds once dragged home a deer that weighed almost 150.Picture 120 lb timber wolf with a sasquatch thigh bone and its not a stretch at all. Now think if this mammal died near a river or even worse, a small enclosure on a cliff or mountain side, which is what most people think large mammals do, and there is an avalanche, mudslide or washout...Bam...the bones of any animal would be scattered to the wind. There are hundreds of catalouged hair samples from sasquatch sightings and encounters. even hand prints have been recorded, but because no baseline exists, they always come back as unknown mammal or unknown primate. Or they end up "lost" somehow. And if Mr.Standing truely wants protection for these animals then he does need to prove it to you and I. This is still a democracy for the time being and voters decide what and how money and land are allocated. If we don't factor into Mr. Standing's "need to know" group, who does? I truely believe he has found something.
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Aug 7, 2007 4:33:10 GMT -5
Post by malyss on Aug 7, 2007 4:33:10 GMT -5
"The one thing that amazes me on this forum is how many people come on here as a 'guest' and offer up their opinion, and call names and assume when they obviously have not taken the time to familiarize themselves with the history and aims of Todd's work. They demand it all yet offer nothing. Surprise, surprise...welcome to the greed generation." This is the kind of response that happens when there's no more facts to discuss or rebuttal to offer: just trash the discussion. I thought the title of this forum segment was, "Proof?" (or lack therof) and that's what we were doing. If you want a bunch of Koolaid Drinkers then just close it down to "positive" bloggers only and have your own little party patting each other on the back and skirting the real issue: where is the actual proof of the existence of Bigfoot? The cold hard truth is that there is no proof and it's a hard nugget to swallow... But please don't let me disrupt your entertainment. This is the kind of response that happens when it is in reference to a poster who has nothing valid to offer the discussion. Not trashing the discussion, just your irrelivance within it. We get it. YOU, whoever you are, don't believe. I personally don't find that of much value in my life, on this topic or in this forum. Your opinion has been noted for what it's worth. Don't really see a topic of discussion there. Please feel free to come back when you have something valid to discuss, or when you are in a position to make a difference either way. As far as Todd and proof...I really don't think he owes anything to any of us, and I'm sure we have not seen the last of what he has to offer. I am prepared to watch, listen and learn. MY opinion is as irrelivant as yours.
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Aug 7, 2007 13:36:11 GMT -5
Post by The Truth on Aug 7, 2007 13:36:11 GMT -5
Look, you can BELIEVE anything you want, it's your life. The rest of the world likes to see the reality of things first. If you want to make this a religion, go ahead, but be careful who you choose as your guru. In the world of Bigfoot enthusiasts Todd Standing is considered a joke, and that's saying alot considering some of the wackos out there. I've read most of the blogs and there is absolutely no respect anywhere for this man except this forum and his cadre of loyal groupies. In fact, he is considered the heir apparent to the infamous Tom Biscardi, the man who leads Bigfoot expeditions into Kentucky! As far as wilderness conservancy, if that's what you're interested in there's plenty of respectable groups out there that don't get their publicity by creating a 3 ring circus out of a mythological creature. And yes, this was a discussion on the "Proof" of Bigfoot and that's what I was addressing. If you can't deal with that, go to another topic espousing Bigfoot's sentinel system for intruder alerts where anything is possible...
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Aug 7, 2007 13:50:52 GMT -5
Post by kova on Aug 7, 2007 13:50:52 GMT -5
"Like Todd has said, over and over; he isn't out to prove BF's existence to you or me. He is on a quest to prove it to those whom can help in his plight to get "him" recognized as a species and then to get him protected. " I'm afraid Todd will find it much harder to prove to those who have the authority to recognize and protect a species, than to you and me. I'll tell you what Todd is doing. He has found an area of popular interest in a world that craves this kind of thing and is capitalizing on it. It could be for eventual financial reward, for notoriety and fame, or just for the attention he never had as a child. Cloaked with words like, "hard science", "species protection", he hopes to give this scam validity. It will be interesting to see how long he can hold people's attention with that ever elusive promise of evidence that everyone is waiting for and yet somehow is never produced. When interest starts waning then he'll have to shift focus time and time again to peripheral issues surrounding it, which could last awhile depending on his talent for showmanship and ability to convince the gullible. BUT EVENTUALLY even the the most loyal will tire out and lose interest, and the blame will fall on everyone and everything surrounding him. It is the well documented and proven cycle of the charlatan through history, and much time and attention has been wasted in this area. My interest lies in the extremely interesting phenomena of people today trying to pull off this kind of thing in a sceptically scientific world that worships reason and fact. Good luck, Todd, I'll be watching.... THANK YOU!!!
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Aug 7, 2007 13:55:01 GMT -5
Post by Malyss on Aug 7, 2007 13:55:01 GMT -5
Look, you can BELIEVE anything you want, it's your life. The rest of the world likes to see the reality of things first. If you want to make this a religion, go ahead, but be careful who you choose as your guru. In the world of Bigfoot enthusiasts Todd Standing is considered a joke, and that's saying alot considering some of the wackos out there. I've read most of the blogs and there is absolutely no respect anywhere for this man except this forum and his cadre of loyal groupies. In fact, he is considered the heir apparent to the infamous Tom Biscardi, the man who leads Bigfoot expeditions into Kentucky! As far as wilderness conservancy, if that's what you're interested in there's plenty of respectable groups out there that don't get their publicity by creating a 3 ring circus out of a mythological creature. And yes, this was a discussion on the "Proof" of Bigfoot and that's what I was addressing. If you can't deal with that, go to another topic espousing Bigfoot's sentinel system for intruder alerts where anything is possible... And you can believe anything you want, that is the beauty of being in Canada. You know nothing of me so watch what your projecting. Never once have I eluded to having Todd as my guru or my religion. I am an average person who has a mild interest in conservation. When did I ever say I followed Todd to the exclusion of anything or anyone else. Get a freaking grip, pal! We get your stance. I would like to now hear something more interesting from other skeptics and believers alike. People who have something to offer either for or against in the way of proof. Your disbelief, no matter how hard you disbelieve, is of no consequence here. It offers nothing of redeeming value to the topic. As for other BF "researchers" who have not been able to gain even a fifth the attention Todd has, BAH! They are negative about him because they are jealous of him. He is new on the scene and he didn't go crawling after them to go on their ridiculous profiteering excursions nor did he ask for their "expert" opinions. It does not surprise me they are badmouthing him. It simply means they are attempting to besmirch his reputation because he is definately on the right track. He is 10 times more reputable in the way he approaches the subject than any other "expert" I've had the displeasure to read about. Your voice has been heard, ok? WE GET IT...
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Aug 7, 2007 14:06:06 GMT -5
Post by kova on Aug 7, 2007 14:06:06 GMT -5
Look, you can BELIEVE anything you want, it's your life. The rest of the world likes to see the reality of things first. If you want to make this a religion, go ahead, but be careful who you choose as your guru. In the world of Bigfoot enthusiasts Todd Standing is considered a joke, and that's saying alot considering some of the wackos out there. I've read most of the blogs and there is absolutely no respect anywhere for this man except this forum and his cadre of loyal groupies. In fact, he is considered the heir apparent to the infamous Tom Biscardi, the man who leads Bigfoot expeditions into Kentucky! As far as wilderness conservancy, if that's what you're interested in there's plenty of respectable groups out there that don't get their publicity by creating a 3 ring circus out of a mythological creature. And yes, this was a discussion on the "Proof" of Bigfoot and that's what I was addressing. If you can't deal with that, go to another topic espousing Bigfoot's sentinel system for intruder alerts where anything is possible... And you can believe anything you want, that is the beauty of being in Canada. You know nothing of me so watch what your projecting. Never once have I eluded to having Todd as my guru or my religion. I am an average person who has a mild interest in conservation. When did I ever say I followed Todd to the exclusion of anything or anyone else. Get a freaking grip, pal! We get your stance. I would like to now hear something more interesting from other skeptics and believers alike. People who have something to offer either for or against in the way of proof. Your disbelief, no matter how hard you disbelieve, is of no consequence here. It offers nothing of redeeming value to the topic. As for other BF "researchers" who have not been able to gain even a fifth the attention Todd has, BAH! They are negative about him because they are jealous of him. He is new on the scene and he didn't go crawling after them to go on their ridiculous profiteering excursions nor did he ask for their "expert" opinions. It does not surprise me they are badmouthing him. It simply means they are attempting to besmirch his reputation because he is definately on the right track. He is 10 times more reputable in the way he approaches the subject than any other "expert" I've had the displeasure to read about. Your voice has been heard, ok? WE GET IT... How is Todd more reputable than any other BF pusher??? I;m sure even Tom Biscardi read a couple books and talked to a few natives... Malyss, why believe todd when he has shown nothing. He even said on C2C that it is time to put up or shut up....... WE"RE WAITING!!!!
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Aug 7, 2007 14:47:07 GMT -5
Post by The Truth on Aug 7, 2007 14:47:07 GMT -5
"Your voice has been heard, ok? WE GET IT..."
We get your point also. Now, where is YOUR contribution to the topic at hand, "Proof" ? I haven't heard anything from you except a defense of Todd Standing with no facts to back it up and a railing against myself and others in this topic who are discussing the proof or lack thereof offered by Mr. Standing? We need your or somebody to offer the long awaited and oft promised proof that Todd supposedly has? Well? I thought so...
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Aug 7, 2007 14:57:37 GMT -5
Post by The Truth on Aug 7, 2007 14:57:37 GMT -5
"They are negative about him because they are jealous of him."
One more thing, if you think anyone in the Bigfoot enthusiast world is jealous of Todd Standing, you're in for a big surprise... He is considered an arrogant Clown (he called himself THE expert in Bigfootology) in that world, and they are seriously worried that he is dragging them down and ruining what little respectable reputation they have. Go read the blogs, it's all there.
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Aug 7, 2007 15:28:42 GMT -5
Post by Malyss on Aug 7, 2007 15:28:42 GMT -5
And you can believe anything you want, that is the beauty of being in Canada. You know nothing of me so watch what your projecting. Never once have I eluded to having Todd as my guru or my religion. I am an average person who has a mild interest in conservation. When did I ever say I followed Todd to the exclusion of anything or anyone else. Get a freaking grip, pal! We get your stance. I would like to now hear something more interesting from other skeptics and believers alike. People who have something to offer either for or against in the way of proof. Your disbelief, no matter how hard you disbelieve, is of no consequence here. It offers nothing of redeeming value to the topic. As for other BF "researchers" who have not been able to gain even a fifth the attention Todd has, BAH! They are negative about him because they are jealous of him. He is new on the scene and he didn't go crawling after them to go on their ridiculous profiteering excursions nor did he ask for their "expert" opinions. It does not surprise me they are badmouthing him. It simply means they are attempting to besmirch his reputation because he is definately on the right track. He is 10 times more reputable in the way he approaches the subject than any other "expert" I've had the displeasure to read about. Your voice has been heard, ok? WE GET IT... How is Todd more reputable than any other BF pusher??? I;m sure even Tom Biscardi read a couple books and talked to a few natives... Malyss, why believe todd when he has shown nothing. He even said on C2C that it is time to put up or shut up....... WE"RE WAITING!!!! This will be my last posting on the subject. I am a little fed up with all the assumptions and attacks on my beliefs and my character. Why I believe is none of anyone's business. There is proof out there, lots of it, centuries of it. I can't explain or understand your complete ignorance of it. I believe that Todd believes. I saw the footage and heard the accounts and I believe there is something there. I find him more reputable because he is not asking me for money or anything else for that matter. He is giving his profits to a cause and is actually losing money to try and bring this discovery to the rest of us. I have read the blogs and websites of some of the better known USA BF "researchers" who spend most of their time and effort tearing down what others are doing. They usually follow that up with "join us on our next expedition, only $1,999 US (no sightings guaranteed)" or "for more information buy my book." I also want to correct an assumption I made about Todd not asking for their help...I don't have a clue about that. I'm not sure who he talked to so my apologies. I have a close friend of over 20 years who has always been a healthy skeptic. We have many conversations on this and other topics. On a recent trip through the Manning Park region he stated that it wouldn't be hard to envision a large upright intelligent mammal avoiding us in such dense brush. You just have to look at the untouched wilderness to realize how insignificant we are. I have a hard time swallowing that humans are so omnipitant. I have had encounters I cannot explain and have yet to have had a skeptic satisfy me with their all-knowing mastery of all things living. You don't believe, but why should we follow you? You offer me nothing to consider. I will therefore believe my eyes, ears and nose. If they do exsist, I would much rather a scrupulous person like Todd make the discovery than some half thingyed overglorified tour guide with with a gun who thinks he knows what is better for the world than the rest of us. But maybe that's just me... Question: If you hate Todd so much why are you here?
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Aug 7, 2007 16:56:28 GMT -5
Post by The Truth on Aug 7, 2007 16:56:28 GMT -5
"If you hate Todd so much why are you here?"
No hate here, just a small amount of satisfaction in trying to point out to the townspeople that the Emporer has no clothes on.
Also a fascination with the fact that someone is trying to pull this kind of thing off in today's fact-based world, using all the correct terminology but not having a SHRED of real evidence. It's the old car crash syndrome, distasteful and yet hard to look away from....
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Aug 7, 2007 17:00:38 GMT -5
Post by The Truth on Aug 7, 2007 17:00:38 GMT -5
"There is proof out there, lots of it, centuries of it. I can't explain or understand your complete ignorance of it."
I'm not asking for centuries of proof, just one, small, clear photo.
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Aug 7, 2007 17:29:09 GMT -5
Post by Malyss on Aug 7, 2007 17:29:09 GMT -5
"There is proof out there, lots of it, centuries of it. I can't explain or understand your complete ignorance of it." I'm not asking for centuries of proof, just one, small, clear photo. Then I suggest you go take one, then. Otherwise you might have to just wait for someone else's agenda, huh? I'd like to meet one human being who isn't a selfish ass. I'd shoot him and put him in the zoo so we can all enjoy him.
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Aug 7, 2007 18:05:14 GMT -5
Post by strat1376 on Aug 7, 2007 18:05:14 GMT -5
I registered to this forum so I could post this and give anyone a chance to reply. First off, Ive been interested in bigfoot "evidence" for as long as I can remember, and being 49 years old, thats a fair amount of time. To date the video footage provided by Todd Standing is some of the more convincing footage I've seen. Having said that, its getting old. So are the constant postings by Standing and other people who may or may not be close to him giving the standard "tease" of "exciting new information" ect.. That smells of nothing more than the standard baiting approach used by shams and cons for years untold. I would suggest that if you dont want that reputation, then dont do the things that will garner it. If you have something genuine to add that is more than just more self promotion then do it, if not then get on with whatever it is you are going to do, go back and get some more and better video if you truly can, no one would cheer you on more than I would but please quit insulting my inteligence with the usual blanket and vauge explanations as to why this or that isnt ready yet ect.. If you want me to give money or support to the ASPCA or some other animal care organisation then tell me that and I'll consider it, but dont link it to an animal that you or anyone else cannot PROVE exists. The circumstantial evidence is good, but it needs to be bolstered with something conclusive.
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