dbonk
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Post by dbonk on Aug 6, 2007 21:34:34 GMT -5
That is what Todd calls his Big foot video.I hate to be a skeptic, I really want to believe. However I will need much more evidence than what Todd has presented. Why is every Bigfoot video shaky, in low light conditions or obviously faked? Give me real proof! Please! If you do I will come over to the believer side, sign your petitions etc. Until then I have seen no real proof that these creatures exist.
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Post by The Truth on Aug 6, 2007 22:52:43 GMT -5
Here's what I believe to be the current state of crytozoology to be, which by the way is a fascinating subject. There are no 8 foot high harry humanoids roaming the continental US. Maybe in north eastern Mongolia or the hinterlands of Siberia, (which I also highly doubt due to any solid proof in the last 500 years) but not in the US. I do not believe the recent Bigfoot expeditions in Ohio, Texas, Michigan, Florida or Washington will yield any results, apart from a few hoots and knocks on trees, and perhaps a few night time "heat images", done from a safe distance of course. In short, there are no undiscovered species on this planet OF ANY SIGNIFICANT SIZE, there are simply too many people and pieces of technology roaming every nook and cranny of Earth to hide anything BIG. Now an overlooked Tassie Tiger may still be roaming the hills of NZ, or a sea monster somewhere in the depths of the ocean (but then we just about took out certain species of whales, you'd think we'd at least run into the last surviving ocean dinosaur by now), but nothing larger than a housecat perhaps in the remote highlands of New Guinea. Now that doesn't mean there is no romance or wonder left in creation. The fact that every living species has it's own unique system that works perfectly after it's own kind is a wonder of unbelievable proportion. We could study all of the creatures that live on the Earth for thousands of years and never grasp the whole of it. But an 800 pound ape within 300 miles of where I live in Washington, I don't think so. But please prove me wrong, I only have about another 30 years left on this sphere....
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Post by Kenneth Barr on Aug 6, 2007 23:21:41 GMT -5
That is what Todd calls his Big foot video. I hate to be a skeptic, I really want to believe. However I will need much more evidence than what Todd has presented. Why is every Bigfoot video shaky, in low light conditions or obviously faked Todd has stated on numerous occasions that Video 02 ( the video presented here on the site) is NOT the piece of video evidence that he considers his "most significant". That video is Video 03, which is exclusive to the documentary and has been tested by a respected kineticist, ( an expert in the study of human or bipedal motion). This specialist stated that the 17-second run this creature does through the forestation and undergrowth of a mountainside is faster than the fastest man on earth due to conditions, terrain and elevation. He calculated given all the same exact elements the fastest man on the planet, an Olympic caliber athlete could not have completed the run in less than 24 seconds, and it is there, on video with no augmentation what so ever of this massive 8-foot, 700lb plus creature doing it in 17. If you possessed footage that contradicted the abilities of the fastest man on the planet ( thus eliminating the possibility of it being a hoax or a man in a suit) then wouldn't you call that the "most significant piece of Bigfoot video evidence since the Patterson film" which is the quote from Todd you referenced at the beginning of this thread. At no time has he ever referred to Video 02 in that fashion, and has, in fact, gone on the record with news media stating that it could very well be a man in a suit because of the limited motion seen in the footage. The second piece, the Video 03 run where you can clearly see musculature, movement, height and weight and the speed in which it moves is the ONLY significant piece of video evidence that he has to date. Hope this clears up the confusion for some.
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Post by Paul on Aug 6, 2007 23:34:05 GMT -5
Here's what I believe to be the current state of crytozoology to be, which by the way is a fascinating subject. There are no 8 foot high harry humanoids roaming the continental US. Maybe in north eastern Mongolia or the hinterlands of Siberia, (which I also highly doubt due to any solid proof in the last 500 years) but not in the US. I do not believe the recent Bigfoot expeditions in Ohio, Texas, Michigan, Florida or Washington will yield any results, apart from a few hoots and knocks on trees, and perhaps a few night time "heat images", done from a safe distance of course. In short, there are no undiscovered species on this planet OF ANY SIGNIFICANT SIZE, there are simply too many people and pieces of technology roaming every nook and cranny of Earth to hide anything BIG. Now an overlooked Tassie Tiger may still be roaming the hills of NZ, or a sea monster somewhere in the depths of the ocean (but then we just about took out certain species of whales, you'd think we'd at least run into the last surviving ocean dinosaur by now), but nothing larger than a housecat perhaps in the remote highlands of New Guinea. Now that doesn't mean there is no romance or wonder left in creation. The fact that every living species has it's own unique system that works perfectly after it's own kind is a wonder of unbelievable proportion. We could study all of the creatures that live on the Earth for thousands of years and never grasp the whole of it. But an 800 pound ape within 300 miles of where I live in Washington, I don't think so. But please prove me wrong, I only have about another 30 years left on this sphere.... Get out in the woods and find out for yourself. If you don't spend time out in the deep woods, why would you care if BF exists or not? You want to see an exhibit at the zoo or pictures/video on the web? In the end is that what you would want, just another exhibit to go see at the zoo? I don't know why people get so wierd about this whole BF thing. If you spend your entire life in the city then who really cares what animals are out there...Lions, Tigers and Bigfoots who cares!! You're not going to see them anyway aside from the zoo, tv or your computer. Personally, I'm out there in the deep, dark, scary woods and I would like to know about all of the animals that I MAY run into in the middle of the night all alone.
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Post by The Truth on Aug 6, 2007 23:51:14 GMT -5
"Get out in the woods and find out for yourself. If you don't spend time out in the deep woods, why would you care if BF exists or not? You want to see an exhibit at the zoo or pictures/video on the web? In the end is that what you would want, just another exhibit to go see at the zoo?
I don't know why people get so wierd about this whole BF thing. If you spend your entire life in the city then who really cares what animals are out there...Lions, Tigers and Bigfoots who cares!! You're not going to see them anyway aside from the zoo, tv or your computer.
Personally, I'm out there in the deep, dark, scary woods and I would like to know about all of the animals that I MAY run into in the middle of the night all alone. "
Well all I can say is I'm far more worried about being attacked by a cougar than a Bigfoot in those scary woods! And where did I say I don't spend time in the wilderness? I'm sorry, the rest of your post I just don't get.
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Post by darrenbonk on Aug 7, 2007 4:19:18 GMT -5
Kinda of funny that you have to buy to dvd to get video #3?
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Post by eddiez on Aug 7, 2007 8:16:10 GMT -5
Regarding the statement above about Video 3, I believe it has only been shown at the Sylvanic showings in Canada, but I'm not sure how much of it - I haven't seen one. It is not on the DVD.
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Post by Paul on Aug 7, 2007 10:05:48 GMT -5
Well all I can say is I'm far more worried about being attacked by a cougar than a Bigfoot in those scary woods! And where did I say I don't spend time in the wilderness? I'm sorry, the rest of your post I just don't get. I'm not at all worried about being attacked by a cougar, bear or BF but I'm prepared for any encounter that I may have while in the woods. All I'm saying is why waste the energy to dispute whether or not BF exists if your not going to be out where they supposedly live, you're not going to be there anyway so why do you care? If someone is going to spend the time and energy to hike waaaay back in the bush and get video or pictures of "something", why waste any time disputing what they saw if you are never going to go there and see it for yourself or if you have never gone deep into the woods to see what's there? The videos that Todd has definitely show "something". This combined with what he saw with his own eyes (which is unverifiable) is obviously enough to motivate him to try and bring awareness of this "something" and get laws passed to try and protect it. Are the videos he has enough to prove that BF exists, no? But if he feels that he can get better video, more power to him. Let him say whatever he wants and when/if he gets more video we'll take a look and see what he has captured. Out of all of the BF "researchers" at least Todd hasn't sold out and doesn't seem to be a wierdo or anything. Many others propagate hoaxes, are obviously in it to make a buck, etc. At least this guy is doing it out of his own pocket and seems to be pretty ethical, down to earth and honest. Anywho....to all of you who say that there are no undiscovered large animals on the planet or even in North America, please give us your credentials. Let us all know how many miles that you have logged with a fifty pound pack on your back hiking way back in the bush where people rarely go. Let us know how many nights you have spent sleeping out under the stars miles from any other human. If you have not been out there, don't tell us that have been there what animals do or don't live there.
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Post by The Truth on Aug 7, 2007 13:19:21 GMT -5
"Anywho....to all of you who say that there are no undiscovered large animals on the planet or even in North America, please give us your credentials. Let us all know how many miles that you have logged with a fifty pound pack on your back hiking way back in the bush where people rarely go. Let us know how many nights you have spent sleeping out under the stars miles from any other human. If you have not been out there, don't tell us that have been there what animals do or don't live there."
I don't see what that has to do with anything regarding the fact that there is no indisputable proof that Bigfoot exists. Would it matter that I grew up backpacking the Pacific Northwest, doing two week horse packing trips into the Selway-BitterRoots all through my teens? That we just took a week trip a month ago to wild central Idaho and hiked to numerous remote natural hotsprings? That I worked 4 summers in Alaska and drove the Alcan 9 times and lived and hunted a fished in Alaska for two years? That we take regular motorcycle trips on Forest Service and backroads around Mount Baker and Adams? That we regularly fish the Grande Rhonde River in south eastern Washington and drive through the area every year where Paul Feeman supposedly saw and filmed Bigfoot? That we frequently hike the east Kootenays in BC? That I've hunted in remote parts of Wyoming? What has any of this to do with the fact that Todd Standing can't produce any real proof of Bigfoot's existence?
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Post by Kenneth Barr on Aug 7, 2007 13:54:13 GMT -5
Kinda of funny that you have to buy to dvd to get video #3? The question must be posed: Do you see a DVD for sale anywhere on the site? Are we promoting the documentary as coming to a videostore near you anything soon? Nope. Yes Video 03 is a part of the documentary, a documentary that Todd tours to get signatures for the petition. It came from the fact that the online petition has been up for almost a year and has gotten around 200 signatures, which isn't even 1% of the site traffic to Sylvanic.com. Through the documentary showings, ( which all proceeds go to the local Humane Society), we have generated in the neighbourhood of 3000+ signatures, a rough 90% of those in attendance. So if your main focus was to get protection, and not the all mighty dollar, wouldn't you keep your most significant piece of video footage for a documentary that will help produce those signatures you want?
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Post by Kenneth Barr on Aug 7, 2007 14:00:38 GMT -5
Regarding the statement above about Video 3, I believe it has only been shown at the Sylvanic showings in Canada, but I'm not sure how much of it - I haven't seen one. It is not on the DVD. The full Video 03 is shown as a part of the documentary with Todd discussing the hard science behind the footage as well as covering off the route the creature took when we went back to the area in 2005. The 17 second run is played complete with 15 seconds of surrounding video ( the run up to the location and after the creature vanishes into the undergrowth) two times, and footage of the run is played throughout the explanation. Again, we are not selling a DVD. We include a CD-ROM with each Pressbook, but no DVD. The Video 03 footage is EXCLUSIVE to the documentary "The Origins Of Sylvanic".
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Post by Paul on Aug 7, 2007 14:05:42 GMT -5
Would it matter that I grew up backpacking the Pacific Northwest, doing two week horse packing trips into the Selway-BitterRoots all through my teens? That we just took a week trip a month ago to wild central Idaho and hiked to numerous remote natural hotsprings? That I worked 4 summers in Alaska and drove the Alcan 9 times and lived and hunted a fished in Alaska for two years? That we take regular motorcycle trips on Forest Service and backroads around Mount Baker and Adams? That we regularly fish the Grande Rhonde River in south eastern Washington and drive through the area every year where Paul Feeman supposedly saw and filmed Bigfoot? That we frequently hike the east Kootenays in BC? That I've hunted in remote parts of Wyoming? It would show that you are not some desk jockey spouting off on a chat board about something that you know nothing about. I don't see what that has to do with anything regarding the fact that there is no indisputable proof that Bigfoot exists. What has any of this to do with the fact that Todd Standing can't produce any real proof of Bigfoot's existence? To those people that have had encounters, they have their proof and videos and pictures from other people only strengthen their position. To those who haven't had an encounter there isn't anything out there that will "prove" the existence of BF. I'm not sure that it is a "Fact" that Todd Standing cannot produce any real proof. He has produced something and he is going back out to try and get more footage. We'll see what he comes up with. I think people who have had encounters and those who have not can pretty much agree that to date there is nothing that beyond any doubt proves the existence of BF. The only thing is why trash someone for going out and trying. I say more power to them and maybe someday someone will come up with something really good. Personally I'm not going out there to find that proof. I don't need the aggravation from all of the skeptics who haven't spent any time or money out there looking. If nobody can produce something to prove to the world that BF exists, so be it. I only know what I know and what I have experienced.
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Post by buddharat on Aug 7, 2007 14:19:42 GMT -5
I'm just curious for my own knowledge, at what time during the showing is the petition signed: before or after?
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Post by Kenneth Barr on Aug 7, 2007 14:31:25 GMT -5
I'm just curious for my own knowledge, at what time during the showing is the petition signed: before or after? The petition is available on a table in front of the theatre throughout. But we received a majority of our signatures after the showings.
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Post by buddharat on Aug 7, 2007 14:57:21 GMT -5
Thank you.
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