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Post by kova on Jul 17, 2007 13:55:31 GMT -5
A serious question...
why do you need to bring out professional scientists and real journalist to proove BF exist???
WHy not just get some GOOD footage... and don't come at us with the crap you show on your site. You say you can find these creatures when ever you want, they why don't you have any good footage??? A guy ducking behind a bush isn't evidence.
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Post by Kenneth Barr on Jul 17, 2007 16:15:19 GMT -5
I am also from alberta, I have spents years in the mountains like Paul and I have never seen or even heard of anyone seeing a BF.... ...your work is aimed at getting governmental legislated protection for BF, but you have NO proof they exist. You make it sound like BF is some mystical creature that can only be found when they want to be found OR only by you. Why are you so special? I find it interesting that you would continue to grace a message board that you don't support or believe in the work of kova. Or at the very least even have listened to in the first place. In the past year alone there have been well over a thousand documented cases of Bigfoot sightings in Canada alone. These are from a variety of people from regular Joes out camping to teachers and college professors. There is a stigma placed on the sighting of these creatures, ( mostly from narrow-minded people like yourself), that for the most part these sightings go nowhere and the witnesses ultimately are too afraid of public ridicule to come forward. Todd has never claimed he has all the proof. In both his appearances on Coast To Coast he spoke at length about how video and audio recordings will NEVER be enough. He is however a strong proponent of the proper, and ethical scientific study of the species. Additionally, it should be noted, he has stated on numerous occasions that he has two pieces of video footage. The stronger of the two is only available in the documentary The Origins Of Sylvanic that he tours to get signatures and gives all the money to charity in the process. It is this footage, which has been validated by a kinetisist, that is a major step towards offering undeniable evidence that there is something out there not quite human. I have been working with Todd now for two years, not because I believe in Bigfoot ( I am a skeptic who was brought in initially to authenticate the footage and film interviews he was conducting), but because of Todd's ethical stance. I have been Behind The Scenes as it were for long enough to see this man give everything he has and more to get protection and help make people aware of something he is legitimately concerned about. I have watched as he has been martyred by a small, and quite petty, portion of the Bigfoot/Crytozoology community, who post false video claiming it's his, or vilify him on forum sites and delete any posting that is positive, ( and profit off his name by paying search engine hosts upwards of $1500 USD/month to be top of the list). And yet he persists. He has never asked people to believe, just believe in the possibility until he can get the proper, ethical proof needed. The possibility is this: 90% of Canada is uninhabited, untraveled wilderness. Roughly 40% of the United States is the same. The average outdoorsman travels maybe a day or two into the bush, maximum. There are regions of deep forest that to reach the centre of from any direction would take two weeks by foot and is unable to be reached by either plane or helicopter due to elevation and forestation. In 2005, 5 New Species of Primates were discovered in Malaysia in an area of jungle half the size of Banff National Park. Tribes lived in these regions, National Geographic had been there many times before, and yet 5 new species of primate were discovered there having never been seen before. Yet it is impossible for a creature, who is adept at its environment, camouflaged specific to it, to "elude" man for hundreds of years in wilderness, which roughly encompasses 60% of all of North America? I'm a hardcore skeptic and I still surrender the point that by the sheer law of averages that it can be possible for something to exist completely isolated in the untraveled wilderness. But it hasn't completely "eluded" man either. As mentioned before there are thousands of sightings across North America each year. Some smack of hoax for sure, but the majority ring of authenticity. A serious question... why do you need to bring out professional scientists and real journalist to proove BF exist??? WHy not just get some GOOD footage... and don't come at us with the crap you show on your site. You say you can find these creatures when ever you want, they why don't you have any good footage??? A guy ducking behind a bush isn't evidence. One of the major issues has always been the quality of video evidence, and it was an initial make-or-break point in my participation in the project: That when we go out to film the next time (which is getting close now with the various field reports we are gathering) we are shooting in High Definition with all the proper prime lenses to ensure that, as I like to say “You’ll be able to see a bead of sweat on their fur”. Being a professional videographer I cannot, and will not, be of mind that this creature is 100% until I can see it moving in 1080i and I can push right into the gleam in it’s eyes. Todd keeps me around for this very reason. I’m hardline and don’t waiver in my stance no matter than I am, and will continue, to stand up for Todd and his passion. I stay around because out of all the self-promotional, commerce minded so-called Bigfoot experts out there he’s the only one who’s been fighting for species protection. He’s the only one that I have seen give thousands of dollars away to Humane Societies and charities because he’s only interested in signatures. He’s the only one I’ve seen that REMOVES whole sections of his documentary because the people he interviewed changed their minds and are concerned about public ridicule. In short, I’m still around because this guy is legit and ethical, and no matter which way you cut it, he’s trying to do something positive, unlike this wealth of armchair monkey’s who sit and complain and do nothing at all. I will return to my initial point to close: For a person who offers nothing but illiterate subterfuge and negativity concerning what Todd is doing, you certainly spend a lot of time on the forum kova. In a way that’s a good thing because Todd has always appreciated skeptics more. Offering what you have to date comes off as reactionary, ill-informed and mostly inane as most of what you say is you… how did you say…. You just talk out your ass... So please continue to offer out your insight, however narrow in breadth or incorrect it is. Over the years I have found that people like you, who offer rhetoric that can be torn apart by hard science in a matter of moments do nothing more than fortify Todd in his quest. The man has a thick skin, it’s kind of a prerequisite for anyone who’s willing to stand before the Canadian House Of Common’s or the United States Congress and ask for species protection for Bigfoot. But then again, you wouldn’t know anything about that would you kova. |
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Post by kova on Jul 17, 2007 17:03:55 GMT -5
I am happy todd gives to charities... Does this make what he is doing any more credible...No.
I am a skeptic... Of todd. I already said I do believe there could be BF out there, but for todd to come out and say he is the way to BF is ludicrous...
You even said by sure odds that there could be unidentified life out there... but by sure odds shouldn’t this life have been seen by now? We have a main highway that cuts BC in half, by odds alone shouldn't one of these BFs been hit by a car, or shot by a hunter, or had pictures taken of it? We live in a high tech world now… everyone and they mother has a digital camera or a camera phone.
I am with you on the High Def footage... grainy footage just won't do...
I have read this site over twice now and have watched all the videos... Todd calls himself the #1 BF researcher... There is nothing to research unless you can observe them... and he has not provided any real evidence that he has observed anything.
As for you stating thousands claim they have seen Bigfoot across Canada each year.... Where is the evidence... where are the pictures and footage? Nobody is going to ridicule someone who has proof to back up their claims.
This goes for all fields… UFOs, etc… the proof is in the footage.
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Post by Paul on Jul 17, 2007 17:08:42 GMT -5
Good post Kenneth!
"unlike this wealth of armchair monkey’s who sit and complain and do nothing at all"
I try not to complain too much, but I'm not going to go searching the woods for BF. I have no interest in meeting one up close and personal in the woods....it's about the same feeling that I have for a grizzly bear.
So I will remain an armchair monkey and will enjoy seeing your next bit of footage from the comfort of my home computer, LOL!
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Post by malyss on Jul 18, 2007 11:01:47 GMT -5
Question for the skeptics: If someone had bigfoot on ice and you were looking right at it would you believe it even then?
I find it hard to believe in Sasquatch, but I find it even harder to disbelieve the myriad of people in remote areas all over the world for centuries who claim to have had encounters.
I find it easier to believe that we do coexsist with a species that might have a bigger brain than us. A distant relative who has coexsisted yet avoided our violent nature. We are fooled daily be stupid politicians who lie and steal from us and we still love them (The presidents Bush for example). Is it such a far stretch to understand that this intelligent life form could be avoiding us as a means of survival? Nomadically travelling and feeding at night.
Natives have no doubt about their exsistence and don't question it at all. Am I wrong in my understanding that these people are the best trackers in the world?
Perhaps hunters don't see them because they DON'T WANT TO BE SEEN. And that's just not true anyway. There are stories abound of accidental close encounters.
We live in a world of skeptics who refuse to see FACTS. They ignore implants taken from people who have had UFO encounters that are made from alloys we have yet to discover. They refute star maps drawn by people who were abducted by aliens that detailed planets and stars we discovered a decade after the maps were drawn. They ignore eye witness encounters and hair samples and film footage of bigfoot.
I remember a freezer display at a carnival when I was a child of "the wildman" which no-one to my knowledge has been able to refute. Obviously no-one cared to either allowing this animal to be carelessly displayed as some kind of freakshow.
The point is that most skeptics would refute bigfoot if it was sitting right in front of them. I believe the evidence IS there, all around us and we still are narcisistic enough to believe we are supreme.
You hear this kind of faulty logic when you try to talk to a Christan about evolution. The science is there, but they believe what THEY WANT to believe. Never mind the fact that Cain took a wife. Perhaps she was a bigfoot?
There is footage, there are pictures, there are eye-witness accounts, there is logic abound in every corner of this planet to support the exsistance of bigfoot.
Every time I get in an aircraft and fly over the Rocky Mountains I look down and can't help but think of sasquatch. If I was bigfoot, I'd live right down there in that valley that has been untouched by humans because I could. Why on earth would they hang around campsites or highways or, heaven forbid, hunters?
If Ted Nugent came out and said he had encountered Bigfoot on a hunting trip I daresay you would start questioning his drug use in the 80s. It is very easy for skeptics to skew the facts and believe whatever they want.
I personally will remain objective and await the evidence, which for me right now is leaning to the side of belief because I grew up in the foothills of those Rockies and still encounter things there I have never seen in 40 plus years of living.
We discover species daily that we never knew exsisted, or thought had gone the way of the dinosaur long ago. The celocant (sp?) and mountain gorilla come to mind. Both of which immediately became human prey.
Is it so hard to understand that a hominid species with a larger brain than ours could avoid us and cover their tracks in their own territory? Just because they're hominids doesn't mean they require Starbucks to exsist.
I applaud Todd for his tenacity and his dedication. It must be hard to remain vigilant with people on both sides of the coin ready to skewer his efforts at every turn.
I daresay this is because he is credible. He doesn't come across as some kind of inbred hillbilly (Bugs comes to mind) shooting a gun at anything that moves. He has approached the whole issue scientifically and is getting some political attention for his efforts. Something Bigfoot "hunters" have sought for decades and they are jealous. Skeptics by the sheer nature of their attitude are negative and in denial.
As far as why he is able to get close to the creatures when a ton of hunters can't, it may be as simple as looking in the right place, being open to understanding the way they operate and the fact that their senses may be acute enough to understand he is not a threat and indeed wishes to help them. Even my housecat has that innate ability.
Good luck Todd. You WILL need it.
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Post by kova on Jul 18, 2007 13:10:00 GMT -5
Question for the skeptics: If someone had bigfoot on ice and you were looking right at it would you believe it even then? This is rhetorical right??? Of course. I would be all good with todd, if he did make outrageous statements... I am all good with what todd is doing, I really hope he does find BF, I just don't think he has yet... I am actually looking forward to watching his movie. Back on track here... I think it would be awesome if bigfoot existed... I really do. But to say there is a GENIUS bi-pedal creature not crossing paths with us on a more frequent basis is absurd. "why is inbred hillbilly (Bugs comes to mind) shooting a gun at anything that moves" sick to you? If I saw a creature I didn't know existed I would be pretty freaked out. Especially if I thought it was a threat. |
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Post by KOVA on Jul 18, 2007 13:48:57 GMT -5
Todd...
will you be back in calgary showig this film anytime soon?
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Post by malyss on Jul 18, 2007 19:06:12 GMT -5
Question for the skeptics: If someone had bigfoot on ice and you were looking right at it would you believe it even then? This is rhetorical right??? Of course. I would be all good with todd, if he did make outrageous statements... I am all good with what todd is doing, I really hope he does find BF, I just don't think he has yet... I am actually looking forward to watching his movie. Back on track here... I think it would be awesome if bigfoot existed... I really do. But to say there is a GENIUS bi-pedal creature not crossing paths with us on a more frequent basis is absurd. "why is inbred hillbilly (Bugs comes to mind) shooting a gun at anything that moves" sick to you? If I saw a creature I didn't know existed I would be pretty freaked out. Especially if I thought it was a threat. Kova are you or are you not a skeptic...you seem to waiver on that point. 1.) People see what they want to see. There is plenty of "evidence" short of having one breath down your neck. 2.) I don't believe I called bigfoot a genius. I said he has a larger brain. Bigger skull=larger brain. Now it is simply a guess here but I would bet that larger brain, being humanoid, had one priority...survival. The second would be protection of their own. 3.) To me, as a Canadian in the 21st century, the whole idea of walking around with a gun is ludicrous in and of itself. Bearing arms to go out and find and kill an innocent creature, especially one you can't eat, is quite another. Frankly if I saw Bigfoot I would scream loudly and run, then pull out my camera and shoot some grainy cel phone footage. |
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Post by kova on Jul 18, 2007 19:51:35 GMT -5
Kova are you or are you not a skeptic...you seem to waiver on that point. Both... I have never seen a BF and have never seen any proof of one, so I am very skeptical of their existence... I do believe Todd has done some good research, I am not doubting that... but he makes some claims that he can take anyone to these things, but he has only gone out once, right? He also talks about day watchers and how they live in groups, but he has no proof of this... Only native tall tales... Does he really think passing a law, will stop people from trying to locate them and trying to kill or capture them... This is where Todd contradicts himself... He will be letting everyone know where they live... It is human nature to be curious... They will be captured, placed in captivity, studied and probably killed. On a side note:I have also never seen a UFO but i believe they may exist... but I don't believe in ghosts, psychics, mediums, remote viewing, parnormal junk like that... I think frauds and hoaxers need to be revealed... Just listen to C2C and you can hear the garbage people make up.... 1.) People see what they want to see. There is plenty of "evidence" short of having one breath down your neck. Where is this evidence??? do you still believe the paterson film is real??? Footprints don't mean anything, they can be molded in minutes... and I have heard there has been hair found... has any of it been analyzed??? probably not. Todd said his quest all began from his friends dog being killed... all I need to do is direct you to the great Dr.Jonathan Reed... 2.) I don't believe I called bigfoot a genius. I said he has a larger brain. Bigger skull=larger brain. Now it is simply a guess here but I would bet that larger brain, being humanoid, had one priority...survival. The second would be protection of their own. This message is still lost in translation. I still don't get why you brought up the larger brain statement then... 3.) To me, as a Canadian in the 21st century, the whole idea of walking around with a gun is ludicrous in and of itself. Bearing arms to go out and find and kill an innocent creature, especially one you can't eat, is quite another. Frankly if I saw Bigfoot I would scream loudly and run, then pull out my camera and shoot some grainy cel phone footage. Hunting is a MAJOR canadian tradition... There is probably no hunter out there that would pass up shooting a BF if it came across his path... hell, they probably wouldn't know what they shot until they walked up to its body... And is that the hunters fault??? |
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Post by toddstanding on Jul 18, 2007 23:01:54 GMT -5
Wow, some great topics being presented here i am impressed.
To answer some questions- In my mind i have done great things with my showings in Canada so i want to concentrate on getting the best evidence anyone has ever seen. A video would be great but i want bones, fecal, maybe a body. Undeniable DNA. So for now no more candian dates.
I need to get more US signatures to get the ball rolling for species protection in the US. So i may go to the US for a couple of showings.
Understand i know it will take more time and evidence to have these laws enacted. But i have to start here and now. There are people that know this species is real. I am not the first. But i may be the first to believe there is a way to co-exist. I am wrong, probably, but i am at least going to try.
NEVER will my work lead to the detriment of this species. I can and will track these animals again, I can and will get every peace of evidence nessisary to prove to science they exist. I have no doubt of this. But what i doubt is are other people willing to stand up and ensure governments properly protect this species?
Now after my showings i believe the answer is yes.
I will come back tomorrow and address malyss 's all important question about first nation people being wilderness experts.
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Post by kova on Jul 18, 2007 23:32:43 GMT -5
Todd,
I will not attack you anymore, because the other side of me wants this to be real. You do sound sencere and I will give you LOADS of credit for that. And for a fellow canadian and albertan, to claim this creature exists only a hours away from my own home sparks even more interest in the subject.
You said in your videos you never saw the actual pack but just the day watcher... Could you sense the pack was close? Are you not worried you may get TOO close? I have heard a story of a pack of BF bombarding a man in a shed for days... I forget who told the story, but it was an interesting account. Maybe it rings a bell???
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Post by Kenneth Barr on Jul 19, 2007 0:39:39 GMT -5
The incident your are mentioning kova is Ape Canyon. You can Google it. The story is loosely about a group of miners who are believed to have shot a Bigfoot then were attacked that night until the body was reclaimed. The how's and why's are all over the internet and vary slightly from the various sources as it happened back in 1924. Also a skier went missing while shooting a documentary in the region in 1950. You can search the particulars through Wikipedia as well.
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Post by jay on Jul 19, 2007 1:03:55 GMT -5
Hey Kova,
From the last post, you seem somewhat open to the idea. I agree with you that it will take tremendous evidence to prove the existence of bigfoot. The myth and folklore is so engrained in the publics' mind, that people think you are crazy just to mention the possibility of the species.
I've hiked and fished in some of the sighting regions and hunted in the Midwest US. I've not yet seen any of the creatures. But, the numerous individual sightings by people that appear legitimate, make me conclude that there is a small population of bipedal ape creatures in areas remote to human population.
Last summer, I vacationed and hiked in Banff and Jasper National Parks. If anyone were to see the tens of thousands of forest acres in that area, and just one major North/South roadway through it, I do not see how even a scientiist could ignore the idea that these creatures could live in such area without human interference. I think the toughest thing for scientists is the link of the species' origin (i.e. where it came from - Giganto?). Jay
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Post by kova on Jul 19, 2007 1:37:07 GMT -5
Last summer, I vacationed and hiked in Banff and Jasper National Parks. If anyone were to see the tens of thousands of forest acres in that area, and just one major North/South roadway through it, I do not see how even a scientiist could ignore the idea that these creatures could live in such area without human interference. I think the toughest thing for scientists is the link of the species' origin (i.e. where it came from - Giganto?). Jay As canadians, we are lucky to have such an awesome forest... But i don't think that the whole forest is not as unchartered as one might think. I have many family and friends in the oil and gas industry. Millions of dollars are spent searching for resources. This includes dropping teams into the middle of nowhere, doing seismic testing. Todd may know... are their any reports from guys deep in the bush? |
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Post by Kenneth Barr on Jul 19, 2007 5:25:47 GMT -5
Actually kova there are. As recent as a month ago we were contacted by a group of Forestry Officers regarding a possible "incident". Additionally there have been many sightings from individuals exploring these regions (we had one person call into a recent 630 CHED radio interview and relate a story concerning a sighting in Northern Alberta which falls under this exact thing).
It should also be noted that as deep as oil and gas companies go into remote regions they limit their exploration to specific regions (mainly because of the overall cost/return) which have to: a) be accessible by road (or specific grades of earth on which roads can be built for heavy machinery and traffic) and b) be in low elevation/flat ground areas because of the drilling and equipment requirements. This prevents extensive exploration into deep forest or mountain regions where the terrain and cost of transport outweigh the "potential" return on untapped veins that very well run for miles subterranean and can be penetrated elsewhere with less risk and higher returns.
When looking at Rocky Mountain Bigfoot, (which is what Todd has stated numerous times is where his expertise lay and what he/we are researching) there are vast areas of the Rocky Mountains (which stretch from northern BC down into the southern US) that no man lives or travels, and no company factors a proper cost/return to explore to the measure needed for mass sightings.
A story I like to bring up regarding sightings is short and sweat. In the late 1970’s there were a group of survivalists that went completely off the grid for a number of years in northern BC. Because of certain shooting incident over a trap line they were being sought after. In an area the approximate size of Red Deer, this group completely evaded authorities for upwards of 6 years, never once leaving sign or trace of their existence, and yet they never left the area. These were mostly city folk, with human needs (comfort/warmth) unadept with their environment and in an area a fraction the size of the North American Rocky Mountains. They eventually came into the city on their own accord and surrendered to authorities. Image if you will Bigfoot.
Thank you for your recent posts kova, and welcome to all our new members. Keep posting.
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