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Post by Paul on Jul 19, 2007 9:24:25 GMT -5
Todd, you have done great things bringing about awareness and getting people to think more about the possibility of the existence of BF. It would be great if you could follow up with even better, longer, clearer footage and really bring the point home (I'm pulling for you!!).
If it were me I would be really concerned with keeping my credibility intact. I can't even imagine what kind of flack that you must take. The public "fear" of acknowledging that BF could exist is enormous. I'm sure the critics are just waiting for anything that they can get so that you can be labeled as a crackpot, money grubbing, fame seeker or whatever. So far it seems like you have been taking the "high road" which is great, keep it up!!
The only thing that worries me is that you state with authority that you can find them whenever you want. Man, I hope that you don't fail as it will just be ammunition for your critics.
You know I'm really not even sure why I care one way or the other about prooving the existence of BF. Hmmmm, you know it's probably just because I enjoy the outdoors and want to know about all of the creatures that live there. I don't want to run into a grizzly, but if I do I am comfortable with how they will behave and what to do based on what they do. I suppose the same thing applies to BF, just want to be prepared. Running into "unkown" things especially HUGE unknown things in the deep dark woods is a little intimidating.
How cool would it be if we could study them and learn, I dunno, how they communicate or react so that if an encounter happened you would know how to posture yourself, gesture or even speak to defuse a possibly scary or even dangerous situation. I guess the possibility of an intelligent ape/man running around in the woods and being able to coexist or even interact is pretty cool. LOL, I can see it now....Hey kids lets go camping and hang out with the BF's, remember last time we talked to them, etc......
Wow, I'm getting pretty weird this morning, better go get my coffee and get my brain back on track, LOL!! ;D
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Post by malyss on Jul 19, 2007 13:08:19 GMT -5
My concern is with the protection. Even if you are able to get it will you be able to keep it. For example:the Rocky Mountain Spotted Owl has all but lost the protection it recieved after years of advocacy. Tracts of territory were set aside until industry concerns outbid the real possibility of extinction in the minds of a new parliament. Species protection is a long hard row to hoe! I wish you all the excessive amounts of time and energy it will take to deal with that consistant frustration. Politics has not yet cottoned on to the concept that this is a planet not an industry to be raped at the will of organized humanity.
Further to my reference that the bigfoot likely has a larger brain. IMO it wouldn't be that hard to outwit the average hunter. Also, siesmic workers in the forest are noisy as hell! Chainsaws, yelling, smoking. It's not hard to imagine why the VietCong could track American soldiers by their smell alone. In other words not hard to avoid smelly, noisy, half-witted men who are slogging through snow up to their waist.
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Post by werewolf on Jul 19, 2007 19:36:43 GMT -5
Just checked out this site, so I decided to join up. Sorry that you feel the way you do about hunters Malyss, perhaps if you actually knew some "real" hunters you might not be so quick to write them off as brainless gits. In regards to actual sightings,I know that I've had a few close calls, one was actually with in feet of me while I was having a late night pee break. Scared the living hell out of not only me, but the rest of the guys in our hunting camp. Further to this, another fellow I know watched one travel through a small pass as he was glassing for Elk in northwestern Alberta.
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Post by malyss on Jul 19, 2007 22:34:01 GMT -5
...and you didn't shoot it?
Thank you for sharing your experiences.
I grew up in the foothills and I do know hunters and I know you are not for the most part brainless gits. Although I must admit, among our human brethern there are few members I'd want to encounter while in possession of a loaded weapon. But maybe that's just me...
Cheers.
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Post by jmdewey60 on Jul 22, 2007 13:41:59 GMT -5
I heard something Ian Punnet said last night and it led me to this forum. I feel obligated to put in my contribution to the base of knowlege on this subject, on account of my experiences with B F. I believe that they obviously have been around longer than we have. That gives them an edge as far as their knowlege of, and the use of, terrain to their advantage. If you hunt game for your subsistance, your stalking ability includes stealth. A "pack" of B F does not mean they are in constant contact with each other. They have a culture from their long history on the land. It tells them where they should be at certain times of the year for the best foraging. These are hereditary spots that will serve as a base camp and they can go out alone or in pairs to hunt and return to gather and share food when done. To me, it is no suprise that you can not just walk out into the woods and find them. For that to be your reason to not think that they exsist seems a little irrational.
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Post by jmdewey60 on Jul 22, 2007 14:15:06 GMT -5
I want to add to my first post, that was a response to Kova, who seems kind of a debunker. I am, I guess, kind of a strange person because I have spent years in the woods completely alone. I think I must have been a curiosity to B F and caught one quite by supprise one night by standing perfectly still in the middle of a moonless, overcast night, under a complete canopy of live oak. I was there for about fifteen minutes when I heard somthing walking along the edge of an open meadow, just inside the treeline. It probubly smelled me and walked right up to me. It did not vocalise, and I was very calm. That feeling changed to complete fear in a few seconds after it gave me a demonstration of its strength. It reached up and grabbed a limb of a tree that I could not even jump up to grab, and moved it to where I could see a big patch of sky above me open and close. The fear came up from my center, and when it spread throughout my body, I turned and ran faster than I think I ever have. The next times that I came across B F I used that as a hint to stay away from them. I do not recomend actualy looking for them. My advice is to stay away, and if you are alone, to treat it as an absolute survival situation. I had an experience with Two B F that had a history of hunting humans and it is only by, I think, a miricle that I am alive today.
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Post by jmdewey60 on Jul 22, 2007 15:10:11 GMT -5
Any one who does not believe in maneaters should watch "the Ghost and the Darkness" with Val Kilmer. It is based on facts where the British were building a railroad bridge across the Tzsavo river in Kenya and their workers kept beeing eaten by lions. My sister went to school in 1976 at Monterey Bay Academy at Watsonville. She was told that she should not ever sleep on the beach because people were being drug off inside their sleeping bags and only their heads and hands would be found. It sounds a lot like tigers eating villagers in India, to me. Before I had heard that story, I had my episode in Big Sir with two B F. I was walking down the Pacific Coast Highway as it was getting dark and I heard what I thought was two people alternatly walking and sliding down the steep hill towards the road. I kept going and I later heard bare feet slapping on the asphalt running around the corner, coming for me. They left the road before the headlights from a line of cars coming up the road could shine on them. They stepped over a four stranded barbed wire fence without breaking stride and crossed a river by stepping on rocks that a human would have to take one by one, with all they could do to leap to. They kept up with me untill the cars were gone, then came back on the road. A real long line of cars came and they had to go up the hill this time. It was too steep to follow above so they had to stop and wait. That gave me time to go around the corner and cut across the river and find a place to hide. I heard them pass, looking for me but I was farther from the water than they expected me to be. I did not move untill the next day.
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Post by jmdewey60 on Jul 22, 2007 15:49:16 GMT -5
I was woken up one morning sleeping at my little camp on a ridge above a canyon with a creek, on what I thought was the most remote spot on a big mountain in California. It sounded like someone was picking up a rock about the size of a Volkswagon and dropping it. The sound was coming from the spot where my trail met the creek. I had this vision of a B F coming onto my trail and being unhappy about it. I imagined that it thought that my curiosity would lure me down to find out what was going on. I was in a pretty open area and I did not think it would come up to me. I made my camp on purpose there so that the sun would warm me up in the morning. One day I was standing on a big rock above my camp and someone started honking their horn at me from the ranger road on the top of the mountain. I am sure B F knew how the terrain was and did not want to expose itself. I had enough water with me and I decided to stay at camp that day. From my past experience, I had no curiosity in the least. Turned out later that I was within a few miles of wher there was a war in the 1800's between the white settlers and a strong hold of B F. This was told to me by a big foot investigater who found an old newspaper article about the events, and asked me if I was close to where the story reported that it happened. Yes, just walk straight up the nearest ridge of the mountain from there, and that was where I was. I do not have any plans to ever go there on foot again. So, please, my point is stay away. We do not need any video. If you do not believe in B F, no video will convince you. People who have seen them believe, and I never want to see one again!
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Post by jmdewey60 on Jul 22, 2007 16:15:20 GMT -5
Oh. if you can indulge me, one more little story. I heard it right after it happened, from my sister. She came home suddenly one night and told it to our Mom and me. She was totaly freaked out and had to tell some one. I have never heard it from her afterwards, and even my younger sister does not know about it. I think it is something so disturbing that she blocks it out. Back in the day, the thing to do was for the highschool aged kids to go to the river on weekends where they could build a fire and do some underage drinking. She was driving with three other people in the car in the dark. She came around a corner and caught a B F in her headlights. It did not have anywhre to go, so instead of trying to run away, it crouched down on the road and curled up in a ball. She was so scared, she put it in reverse and backed up a couple hundred yards to where she could turn around, and went back into town. You might not think this credible, but I was convenced. This was no act, and there were three other witnesses. Plus she would have been in big trouble if her Dad was there, just because of the mission she obviously was on when this happened. So, meeting B F can be a traumatic experience, even in the best circumstances.
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Post by mountainman on Jul 22, 2007 16:37:56 GMT -5
Todd or anyone, I am trying to find the story you are referring to about “Bugs” incident, but I have had no luck, only brief statements that really make no sense. Can you ether point me in the right direction as to where to find info, or can you please tell the story here. I am a regular listener to C2C, but unfortunately I was not listening on the nights you were on. I will be checking back regularly at this forum and your website for info on a future full interview you stated on an upcoming C2C.
Keep up the fight for our Big Guy, and just to let you know I am from South West Alberta Canada and I am 38 years old and have spent most of my life in the bush, and I had my own encounter with our big friend one winter evening, so I know with out a doubt that they DO EXIST!!!!!
I have one more question that bothers me, If you have undeniable evidence that BF does exist and you state that you will not divulge your evidence until protection has been granted, why not show your evidence to the people and the world who can grant protection for these species???
Again, keep up the fight!!!! Todd, I am an experienced outdoors man, and live close to what I think is your research area. I would be willing to help out any way I could in your research, so if you do need another helping hand please contact me. I am a stay at home Dad with lots of time on his hands.
Cheers!!!
Jason
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Post by kova on Jul 22, 2007 16:51:15 GMT -5
I am no debunker... since I don't spend a second of my life proving BF doesn't exist... But I am a skeptic, since I have never seen one or I have never seen evidence to prove they exist.
I find it funny how you tell people not to look for them, even though you seem to have quit a few suspect encounters...
Might I ask, why you stand in the middle of the woods at night??? Are u looking for BF...
It is fact that most people will see what they want to see or believe what they want to believe when looking for something, be it God, BF, or even UFOs... Be it a satellite or an airplane, people will bet on their mother they saw a UFO...
You also claim you out ran Bigfoot??? Doesn’t this contradict Todd’s DOC footage... I thought they run faster than any man on earth???
Your incident at Big Sir... are you sure you outwitted not just 1, but a pair of Bigfoot??? By now they should be the best hunters on earth, especially if you claim they may be man-eaters…
I would like to hear more about this...
You don't think good footage will make people believe??? I would have to disagree. Besides a body, good footage would be nice. I will admit I have never seen Todd’s footage from his DOC, but the one he has been showing on this site and on the news agencies is not very convincing...
................ Another note: Along our US/Canada border in BC, there are cameras throughout the mountains and forest to catch drug smugglers... these cameras are also infrared... WHy have these cameras never caught any sign of BF? Conspiracy to keep BF under wraps??? I think not... .................
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Post by kova on Jul 22, 2007 16:54:47 GMT -5
I have one more question that bothers me, If you have undeniable evidence that BF does exist and you state that you will not divulge your evidence until protection has been granted, why not show your evidence to the people and the world who can grant protection for these species??? I also agree... Showing the evidence first would help you reach your goal much faster...
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Post by mountainman on Jul 22, 2007 16:54:57 GMT -5
Some amazing stories jmdewey60, I to had my own experience one winter evening when I was a young man, so I know they do exist. I have never told anyone about my experience for reasons I can’t explain, but there is not a day that goes by that I don’t think about it and relive the feeling I had that night, the feeling that at any moment my life and the life of my sled dogs could be snuffed out if “He/She” wanted to at any moment. I believe that the creature new what it was doing and tormented me the rest of the night just before sun-up. Let me tell you, my dogs made it back to my truck that morning in record time, and when visiting that area afterwards my dogs would start whining, and my lead dog refused to get out of the truck. Now that was fifteen years ago, and I have since hiked that area with my kids in the summertime, but I will NEVER go there again in the winter. Those feelings and that night will never leave me.
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Post by mountainman on Jul 22, 2007 17:15:08 GMT -5
I have one more question that bothers me, If you have undeniable evidence that BF does exist and you state that you will not divulge your evidence until protection has been granted, why not show your evidence to the people and the world who can grant protection for these species??? I also agree... Showing the evidence first would help you reach your goal much faster... I am not a scientist, but I can guarantee that if you showed your evidence to the scientific community, or have it mysteriously leaked to the media, and if it is as legit as you say it is, I will say without a doubt you will have all the funding you need from say organizations like National Geographic, etc. They, and other organizations like this, will pay big bucks to be the first with your help to present this creature to the world. You will have all the “Research” dollars and equipment you can handle. Just a thought. ;D
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Post by Jason on Jul 23, 2007 8:13:15 GMT -5
I hope your not paul from bff?? you were part of the problem Todd talked about. you know .... you and your cronies who edit and delete everyones posts over @ bff if its not you then hello
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