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Post by buddharat on Aug 7, 2007 18:59:13 GMT -5
I actually registered after I wrote those. I realized that if I was going to post and be apart of discussions, I should at least be registered, but thank you for the suggestion anyways.
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Post by Richard M on Aug 8, 2007 15:04:51 GMT -5
To the team, Heard you on coast to coast for the first time then went to your site. What grabbed me from the start was the passion in your voice, you could have been passionate about anything and i would have believed you woul;d achieve the end results your seeking. Im not a hunter or tracker im buisy following my dream and find myself getting slack from everyone and what ive found works best for me is to ignore the knuckle-draggers, ignorant negative, losers, don't respond to them ignore them, deleat them out of your life and just look forward to the dream, dont get caught up in there endless circle of hate. You got big days to come and responding to the morons takes time and energy away from your goal. Im so jealous of you guys you don't even no, you got it worked out and are doing it. Save all life, Get the laws made and get the evidence, You have already done it now live the dream.
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Post by buddharat on Aug 8, 2007 16:01:16 GMT -5
Saying to ignore an opposing view or even critism, especially when presented in a logical way, is ignorant. If everyone conformed to one way of thinking, the world would be boring and no advancements would be made. The greatest discoveries came from challenges. If someone makes a claim but can't stand up and show their proof without sidestepping, then their proof is meaningless. I suggest that you rethink your position on deleting everyone who goes against Todd's claims, because, maybe, just maybe, an opposing opinion might help to push Todd to further in his research and to maybe for once attain and show unquestionable evidence for Bigfoot, thus proving all of us who don't believe him wrong. Taking discussion out of the world is just as bad as killing a person for an opposing view.
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Post by Kenneth Barr on Aug 9, 2007 16:56:20 GMT -5
Saying to ignore an opposing view or even [criticism], especially when presented in a logical way, is ignorant... I suggest that you rethink your position on deleting everyone who goes against Todd's claims, because, maybe, just maybe, an opposing opinion might help to push Todd to further in his research and to maybe for once attain and show unquestionable evidence for Bigfoot, thus proving all of us who don't believe him wrong. I honestly don't know why I bother. Obviously people don't actually READ what I'm putting forth. I deleted 3 posts that were NOTHING, just insults, profanity and racial slurs, 1 more post responding to the slurs and THAT'S IT FOLKS. There are TONS of opposing view, criticisms, slags and even insults ALL OVER THE FORUM. IF they have a real point of view, IF they offer an opinion or logical issue then they stay. We've ALWAYS welcomed criticism, but ignorance, stupidity or insults are not needed or required for ANY logical advancement in conversation or debate. Why I bothered offering out a PROFESSIONAL COURTESY to you all I will never know, other than it's how I operate. You people who jump all over things without actually READING THEM have officially soured me on EVER informing you all on ANYTHING I do on this forum from this point forth; and made me feel foolish for ever doing it in the first place. You want opening information, and I was willing to give that, but to have you guys jumping all over notifications without understanding what is written in them renders them utterly meaningless. Thus I will spend my energy elsewhere.
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Post by buddharat on Aug 9, 2007 17:01:59 GMT -5
My comment about deleting posts wasn't in reference to you Ken, it was in reference to "Richard M"'s post about how you should ignore and delete people who go against your point of view. I'm sorry for the confusion.
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Post by malyss on Aug 9, 2007 20:55:06 GMT -5
That brings me to listening to your interviews. I have to say that the more I listen to you, the more it seems like you have the worst luck ever (not making a joke or trying to insult you). When someone askes to see your data, it gets stolen by someone else, lost at customs, the names of the people drop their names. If only one thing happened (like say the dvd to coast getting held up at customs) it wouldn't have mattered, but it seems like more and more you are not producing what you have claimed. It seems like the only way to get this information that you say you have is to come to one of your shows (which I have read a review of, and it was less than complimenting). Also, you say that you have professionals (either doctors or scientists, I can't remember) but but I believe you said they asked not to be named. If I'm wrong, could you provide their names, if I'm right, that's another one of those coincidences that add up against you. I can totally see where you are coming from but let me play devil's advocate here for a sec... Wouldn't it be expected that by sheer nature of the business, that the business of doing business would be more difficult? What I mean is wouldn't there naturally be opposition at every turn? For example, people coming forth publicly to tell their stories...it just makes common sense that would be hard to do, doesn't it? I mean even look at this forum for example. As far as I know Kenneth and Todd are the only ones using their real names. How many of you would risk your professional life as a doctor to come forward for bigfoot? Samples going missing when it's found they are of unidentifiable origin? At the border? The DNA aspects at customs alone boggles my mind. (I do have some inside knowledge here.) It seems to me that without LOTS of cash it would just be almost impossible to get things completed, especially when you are threatening big business with conservancy. North American history is rife with cover ups, particularly when the outcome could stand in the face of industry. I'm just saying...
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Post by buddharat on Aug 9, 2007 21:59:41 GMT -5
I understand that, but from a scientific standpoint, lost data doesn't help the cause. I can't just take someones word. All I'm asking is to see all the proof and until I can see it all, I just have a hard time believing. I believe there is a creature that is known as bigfoot, but as I said before, if someone is going to say they have stone cold data but not produce it, then they are bringing nothing to the field.
I'm sorry.
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Post by eddiez on Aug 10, 2007 23:51:07 GMT -5
I honestly don't know why I bother. Obviously people don't actually READ what I'm putting forth. Agreed and agreed. I was hoping to read some thoughtful, probing, questions on this forum which would generate some fruitful dialogue with Todd and Kenneth, but perhaps it is just the nature of forums that these threads often degrade into pointless sniping. I was really interested in what Kenneth had to say about his involvement in the project. The questions about the validity of the video footage, Todd's integrity, his motives, his goals, and so forth are all valid questions, but the manner in which they are presented is disrespectful, unprofessional and antagonistic in many cases. Here are some questions for you (you know who you are): > If you are so unhappy with what you've read here, why do you continue to post on this forum? Are you trying to convince the other forum members and guests that we should support and reinforce your sarcastic and negative postings, or should we just go somewhere else? > Do you honestly think that antagonizing Todd and Kenneth will get you any closer to the truth? Or do you believe that this is a hoax and that a combination of sarcasm and jibes will wear down the hoaxers to the point that they say "Stop, I can't take it any more - it's lies, all lies!!!" > How many ways, how many times and how many people need to post statements like “Why can’t we see video #3” or “Show us the evidence or shut up” or “That video is worthless – I could make a better one with my handycam and a fur coat” or “Why won’t these so called experts give their names” and so on and so forth. Let me know so I can count them up and I’ll tell you when you’ve reached your quota. > Has anyone who has posted here really researched the history of Todd’s communications and what other websites and forums have to say about him and Sylvanic? If so, please let me know – I’ve been following this site for over two years now, and have scoured the web for insights, and I’d really like to compare notes with you.
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Post by toddstanding on Aug 11, 2007 23:48:59 GMT -5
To reply to some of the above comment about skeptics. They are my favorite people. They ask the hard questions. In any interview i go into i always tell the interviewer, please come prepared and hit me with the hard questions if you want a great interview. But if you are just angry and profane you really are just waisting mine and your time. "Great spirits have alway encounter violent opposition from mediocre minds" To the question of proof; I do not have 100% proof. If you have done your background research you will already know there has been incredible footprints ( That could have been faked) DNA from hair and thousands of eye witness testimony from doctors to judges to presidents of the united states. In a court of LAW where a man's life is at stake, where the evidence must be beyond a reasonalbe doubt, many people have been sentenced to death with far less evidence. We have all heard of expert testimony i hope. The number 1 experts of the North american wilderness are the first nations people. They would testify, with the knowledge of over 20,000 years experience that this species is real. A court of law does not require 100% proof to convict and even kill a man for crimes he may or may not be guilty of. For all of you that say these animals are not real and you insist i prove it. I say to you this, help me get protection, then i will prove it. You want proof, i want protection. If sounds fair to me. I have done all the work. The petition is already done. You take five minutes of your time and a drop of ink from a pen. I have sacrificed everything i have and devoted my life to this work. I have spent an enormous amount of time and money to put my documentary together, to research this species, to go on those expeditions, to shoot those two videos my team and i risked our lives... and a hundred other things you will never know. All i ask in return is sign my petition.
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Post by kova on Aug 12, 2007 23:48:10 GMT -5
you are asking us to sign something when you offer NO proof. Anyone who signs, just because they can should think about what they are doing... You wouldn't go to the bank and sign something without reading all the paper work.
You can claiming to have all this proof but you won't show it. That should raise flags for everyone... Without specifically posting a map with a X that marks the spot of BF, what harm could come to these creatures if you show us the evidence???
How do I know you aren't performing an experiment on how to we can get anything to pass in a court a law if enough gulible people drink enough juice?
Lets face it todd, even other BF researchers don't like how you have built yourself in to the all knowing BF researcher. Why not show your proof to shut them up, shut me up and shut up all the people who just want to see the goods... before we start helping you reach your goal.
If you think that a couple native amerians getting on the stand talking about their historical records of BF will get you protection, then you might as well stop now... Even if that what they say is true... You will need physical evidence to get anything accomplished.
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Post by Paul on Aug 13, 2007 11:03:40 GMT -5
Kova, where did you hear that he has proof but is not willing to show it? I must have missed that part. Do you have a link to a post, an article or an interview? From my perspective this is what he has: No he absolutely does not have absolute proof. He has two videos, one on the website and one that is part of his documentory. He has stated that someone has analyzed the video in his documentory and stated that it could NOT be a human. Besides that he has gathered stories and such. If he does have anything else I am not aware of it (Please correct me if I'm wrong). If he did have that proof there would be no need for him to go back out on additional expeditions as he could have presented the absolute proof to lawmakers and gotten protection. At one point I do remember him saying that there was a video (maybe the Hamilton incident) that had some stuff on it, but the families wouldn't allow it to be released. What I have gathered is that incident was completely independent of him and his group and he was trying to get the permission of the families to release the story and maybe even a video, but they denied. He has stated that he can go out and find BF again. Hopefully on his next expedition he gets more footage.
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Post by buddharat on Aug 13, 2007 15:00:07 GMT -5
I think the confusion as to Todd saying he has proof comes from his coast interview with Art Bell on April 8th where he says that if you watch video 3 with the evidence behind it, you will be convinced of bigfoot. He also stated that he has no doubt he can go out and get another video. Here is a link to the page, unfortunately you might need to be signed up for the site (it is paying) to listen to the part. www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2007/04/08.htmlIf you can listen or have a subscription already, just click on the "Evidence & Protection" sound byte (it's over three months ago so the full show is not available anymore), and listen to the clip. It's between 5 and 10 minutes long and that is where Todd talks about how good his evidence is. I don't know if that helps to explain why some people think he's either holding back or just blowing smoke.
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Post by Paul on Aug 13, 2007 15:39:16 GMT -5
I think the confusion as to Todd saying he has proof comes from his coast interview with Art Bell on April 8th where he says that if you watch video 3 with the evidence behind it, you will be convinced of bigfoot. He also stated that he has no doubt he can go out and get another video. Here is a link to the page, unfortunately you might need to be signed up for the site (it is paying) to listen to the part. www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2007/04/08.htmlIf you can listen or have a subscription already, just click on the "Evidence & Protection" sound byte (it's over three months ago so the full show is not available anymore), and listen to the clip. It's between 5 and 10 minutes long and that is where Todd talks about how good his evidence is. I don't know if that helps to explain why some people think he's either holding back or just blowing smoke. Thanks!! I don't have a subscription so I won't be able to listen, but you have shared enough for me to understand. Personally after reading and listening I haven't gotten the impression that they have any more than what they have shared. Todd and Ken have both stated that very same thing as well. As far as blowing smoke.....We'll see if they can get anything in addition to the two videos that they have. If not, I'm pretty sure that EVERYONE will think that they are blowing smoke.
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Post by kova on Aug 13, 2007 17:54:53 GMT -5
Paul,
it doesn't come down to anything on this site...
If you haven't listen to any of todd's live broadcasts then you don't know how he comes off to the public...
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Post by Paul on Aug 13, 2007 19:31:29 GMT -5
Paul, it doesn't come down to anything on this site... If you haven't listen to any of todd's live broadcasts then you don't know how he comes off to the public... Fair enough, although I have listened to a couple of broadcasts that are free to replay (not C2C stuff).
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