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Post by Paul on Jul 23, 2007 8:39:31 GMT -5
I hope your not paul from bff?? you were part of the problem Todd talked about. you know .... you and your cronies who edit and delete everyones posts over @ bff if its not you then hello Are you talking to me? What is "bff"? I don't think that I am who you are suggesting. I'm just Paul.....just a guy looking to learn a little about BF, hoping that Todd or someone else can provide some proof to convince the average person. jmdewey60, nice stories. No worries, whether it is BF or a bear I won't be chasing anything through the woods (except deer, elk and fish). It would be nice to see someone get some serious funding and be able to prove and study the BF though. I enjoy watching/reading wildlife documentories.
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Post by jmdewey60 on Jul 23, 2007 21:15:49 GMT -5
Sorry if I called you the wrong thing, Kova. That's fine if you want to be skeptical. I just want to give my idea of what B F can be like. I personaly beleave that I have had close incounters with four different individuals. #1- was in this creek area about a half mile down the hill from my father's house and in an area I was very familliar with. Just bored and sleepless one night and went for a walk and just wound up where I had played since I was a kid. I do not beleave I out ran B F #1. I think it just wanted me to be afraid of it. I think that it was not more agressive because this was not the wilds. It was just an agricultural area that was not that developed. It was close to what was, back 35 years ago, a wild area. B F #2&3 were not outwitted by me. Hiway 1 is a very narrow, whindy road where it is almost imposible to pass on, so what happens is that the cars bunch up into long lines. I was just lucky that an especialy long bunch came by at just the right time. B F #4 was in Southern California. About 7 years ago I was having an email corespondence with a guy who had a B F web site. He had found an old artical from what I think must have been a San Diego newspaper archive. The story came from a place called Warner Springs, close to Anza. B F was attacking setalments, so the people retaliated and hunted them down to a cave and massacered a whole bunch of them. I never realy thought about B F before I ran into one, and I deffenatly never looked for them. I would rather that I never had been around them. I just want to use my experience to let people know that they are out there and that they should be avoided, any way that you can.
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Post by jmdewey60 on Jul 23, 2007 21:58:21 GMT -5
Hey. Kova. What you said about B F being able to run fast, reminds me of a story that was told to me by a former girlfriend named Trish. She was from Michegan and used to go offroading on a motorcycle in the woods. She was riding by herself one day and a B F started running along side of her. She freeked out once she saw it and tried to speed up to get away from it. She was going over pretty rough ground and could not get enough speed to loose it. It stopped after a while, but she knew that it could have got her if it realy wanted to. She thinks now that it was just messing with her. I think those B F in Big Sur are very much the exception. I think that most just want to be left alone. But those two actualy came lookin for me. I was just walking down the highway, I had never been there before and was trying to get out of there. This was back in 1972 and I was hitch hiking. I got picked up by a hippy couple in Ventura. I was trying to get to San francisco. They had a van and went to a private campground right at what you might call the "town" of Big Sir. I should have stayed with them because it was getting late. I did not realise it was going to get dark so soon and I went walking and sticking out my thumb to passing cars. It may just be that these two that came down the hill were the "criminaly insane" of the B F community. But I felt that I would deffinatly be dead if they caught me.
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Post by Kenneth Barr on Jul 24, 2007 13:17:36 GMT -5
I have one more question that bothers me, If you have undeniable evidence that BF does exist and you state that you will not divulge your evidence until protection has been granted, why not show your evidence to the people and the world who can grant protection for these species??? I also agree... Showing the evidence first would help you reach your goal much faster... I am not a scientist, but I can guarantee that if you showed your evidence to the scientific community, or have it mysteriously leaked to the media, and if it is as legit as you say it is, I will say without a doubt you will have all the funding you need from say organizations like National Geographic, etc. They, and other organizations like this, will pay big bucks to be the first with your help to present this creature to the world. You will have all the “Research” dollars and equipment you can handle. Just a thought. ;D I felt that these posts were something that definitely needed to be addressed to clear the air and bring some sobering reality into it. As I mentioned in the other forum mountainman posted in ( Ian's Interview Of Me) Todd has been presenting the evidence to the public for the last year in his documentary "The Origins Of Sylvanic"; we are keeping certain footage/information exclusive to the film to entice people to come out and potentially sign the petition which is at each showing. This being said there are some aspects of the media world and the scientific community that should be noted here. The media has jumped on certain Bigfoot stories over the years, the most notable in recent memory being Manitoba Bigfoot. This widely available footage of a fuzzy black blur in the far distance of a wildly gyrating camera burned so many of the people connected to its purchase, which is reported upwards of five figures, ( mostly because the site, which was said to never be traveled prior to the incident, was littered with Nike shoe prints exactly where the supposed creature was filmed walking and the story of the individual who sold the footage didn't mesh with any form of reality (coming out of the bathroom on the ferry when there is no bathroom on the ferry being a major one)). This debacle caused a massive ripple effect through the media world and has burned more than one legitimate sighting and video evidence. Through our various showings and massive media campaigns in each of the regions, it has been like pulling teeth to get even the most minuscule media attention. Not that the media attention we have received to date hasn't been amazing, (nods go out to CityTV & Breakfast Television both Edmonton and Calgary and a certain Saskatchewan Shaw TV reporter that busted his ass for us for months on end) and we have been blessed with a number of great and earnest reporters who have taken us seriously. Still there have been more struggles than needed even with a wealth of video evidence and confirmed research. To date the majority of the media attention has been focused on the petition (which is great) and its reading in the Canadian House Of Commons. Though some of these stories have been mature and serious treating the subject matter with respect most have been presented like a freakshow or something to laugh at. While any press is good press when you're trying to bring attention to a serious matter you believe strongly in, we have yet to be embraced the way previous, and ironically recent Bigfoot footage has been. We believe that this is due to the fact that we cannot simply be "bought out" and are using the footage towards a serious goal which cannot easily be relegated to the "sensationalist story" aspect of a news broadcast ( though they have tried believe me). As for the scientific community, well.... For the last year we have been attempting to interview various scientists on their specific fields of expertise. Not to comment on Bigfoot, but on what they know about their field of study and nothing more. We have been shut down time and time again for one very specific reason: fear. Here is the reality of the scientific community: Each scientist has a vested interest in their field of study and their scientific standing, it is how they get funding, grants or tenure. Gordon S. "Grover" Krantz once said of his University: "They support my research, they don't fire me." which is true of the entire scientific community and their view of Bigfoot research. Without protection or acknowledgement of the species, there will never be scientific support or proper study of these creatures. When you cannot even get a scientist to appear on camera to talk about their field of expertise when the only connection to Bigfoot is the appearance in a Bigfoot documentary, ( guilt by association is the fear) then no matter how absolute your footage may be it won't be enough. You will literally have to walk through their door with a body in your arms, anything short of that and they laugh at you and get security to escort you out of the building. Without it they risk loosing their job, their funding (money) and their standing in the scientific community, and it's a risk they aren't willing to take. As for National Geographic, interesting side note here. To quote from a recent inquiry we put to them: "National Geographic is in the business of presenting and researching recognized species the world over and is not, nor shall be, in the business of propagating myth or exploiting fantastical elements without basis in reality". There is, unfortunately, a massive stigma regarding Bigfoot the world over. This is due, in no small part, by the hoard of hoaxers out there to carve a buck off the back of the believers and doing no service to the reality of the situation. We are now presented with the monumental task of overcoming not only the general public perception of Bigfoot's existence, but a deeply jaded media unwilling to get behind any footage that comes off seriously in fear of loosing their jobs and a scientific community too concerned about standing and money to properly address real research without a body. Until then we will continue toward our ultimate goal, unwavering, unyielding, until we succeed, and we will. With the information we have been presented with, and the continued research we are conducting through the summer months, we are closer than ever with gathering new and indisputable data. Thank you all for your interest and your support, (not to mention your time in reading this massive post.)
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Post by KOVA on Jul 24, 2007 18:19:59 GMT -5
Can you really blame national geographic....
I can't see any scientist having a problem discovering a new species or be it an old species thought to be extinct...
The manitiba BF is definitely BS, but has todd or yourself tried to talk to the guys who got this doc on TV??? maybe they will get Todd's doc on too... just a thought.
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Post by mountainman on Jul 25, 2007 10:22:36 GMT -5
As for National Geographic, interesting side note here. To quote from a recent inquiry we put to them: "National Geographic is in the business of presenting and researching recognized species the world over and is not, nor shall be, in the business of propagating myth or exploiting fantastical elements without basis in reality Thanks Ken for your very insightful reply to my questions. You have opened my eyes to a situation that is more complex than I would have ever though possible. The statement by National Geographic is very disappointing to me, I thought they would have been a lot more receptive to the fact that we are on the verge of the most important discovery the world has ever known. I would have thought that they would of at least like to have seen your mini doc, so they can see for themselves that the proof is right in front of them. But who am I to ask these questions, just some hick farm boy from Canada, eh.
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Post by aaronp on Jul 26, 2007 13:38:02 GMT -5
Finding out that C2C covered topics on bigfoot and sasquatch is what turned me into a loyal follower. I ended up purchasing a satellite radion for my vehicle and a home kit so that I could still listen to C2C on a daily basis. I caught the 7/14/07 airing of Todd while on a camping/fishing trip with my family just adjacent to the Frank Church Wilderness. Listening to the audio was great and made the remote camping erie knowing that bigfoot inhabits my part of North Central Idaho. In my culture, we knew of bigfoot and even in some cases, interacted with them. In one story I heard, a mountain being showed an indian a good place to catch salmon, when it realized that the indian was having problems catching fish. There are several other stories, and experiences within my own family where loud roars were heard in remote parts of the wilderness while on the job or hunting. Loud roars that would resemble an african lion or a bull elephant. Things, animals of the region would not be known of making. I have spent time in the Wenaha Tucannon Wilderness where sightings have occured by tribal members and U.S.Forest Service Employees. This is near where Mill Creek is that Todd was talking about the other day. My girlfriend's grandparents saw a bigfoot in the Blue Mountains in the 1940's carrying a deer under it's arm. I went to the University of Idaho in Moscow (only 8 miles from Grover Krantz at WSU) and my Anthropology professor Roderick Sprague, also published papers on bigfoot and elaborated in his lectures about Gigantopithecus blacki. I still live in the area near Moscow and my family and tribe have legends of the mountain beings that resemble the appearance of bigfoot.
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Post by toddstanding on Jul 26, 2007 23:57:57 GMT -5
Well i am glad you enjoyed the show AAronp. Lets hope i get bugs on this Saturday. I think i may have a perspective that may shed some new light on his story. Even if he doesn't show up i'll be very happy to release some new info that people should really know.
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Post by killingvector on Jul 27, 2007 3:15:52 GMT -5
Not at all impressed with the 'evidence' presented on this site.
Todd seems to genuinely want protection but he refuses to show the real evidence which would provide the much lacking scientific credibility to the claim that these creatures exist. Magicians don't show how they do their tricks because then no one will show up to see their act; if Todd opens his 'archives' then perhaps everyone will realize how big his bluff really is.
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Post by taffy341 on Jul 27, 2007 7:09:52 GMT -5
BF (Forest People) may have the same survival intuition instincts that the Aboriginies in Australia use to possess: they sense the mental intent of the animals close to them or in their area. If so, then obviously anyone with harmful intent or negative thoughts (even on their own personal level) would be shunned. Enough said....[/color]
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Post by aaronp on Jul 27, 2007 10:41:03 GMT -5
My girlfriend and I will be tuned in Todd. You and I share the same views on protection and preservation. I burned the 7/14 broadcast to CD so that I can listen to it anytime. I usually do that with any C2C broadcast about sasquatch or bigfoot and add them to my library of bigfoot books. I have a friend who is a retired Idaho Fish and Game Enforcement officer (retired) who has a large binder of reports of bigfoot sightings in Idaho(Central). One neat report is about the Selway Screamer, and when he told me about that story, I related my encounter that happend to me twice in the same area next to the Selway/Bitterroot Wilderness where twice in one summer, my coworker and I heard a loud roar come from a roadless drainage that flows into the wilderness area. Keep up the good work.
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Post by aaronp on Jul 27, 2007 10:48:28 GMT -5
To taffy341: From our legends regarding the mountainbeings (bigfoot). They are tall people that live high in the remote mountains. They have reddish colored eyes and are believed to have the ability to control the weather and somehow have the ability to make themselves invisible. They will not harm humans, but will defend themselves if threatened. Everything that you hear about bigfoot, vocalization, whistles, screams, rock throwing, curiousity...... they do. There aren't any stories of attacks on people. Just some close encounters while camping, berrypicking, hunting, fishing...... But, usually no different than if a bear ran across the road front of you.
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Post by taffy341 on Jul 28, 2007 3:57:24 GMT -5
To Arronp: Has anyone mentioned that the Mountainbeings can give off two (2) different types of odors: one sweet like flowers and the other 'stinky' (various discriptions of the 'stinky' smell). Is there also a third rather musky but not 'stinky' odor?
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Post by killingvector on Jul 28, 2007 23:59:30 GMT -5
BF (Forest People) may have the same survival intuition instincts that the Aboriginies in Australia use to possess: they sense the mental intent of the animals close to them or in their area. If so, then obviously anyone with harmful intent or negative thoughts (even on their own personal level) would be shunned. Enough said.... [/color][/quote] Prove it.
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Post by malyss on Jul 29, 2007 21:06:09 GMT -5
BF (Forest People) may have the same survival intuition instincts that the Aboriginies in Australia use to possess: they sense the mental intent of the animals close to them or in their area. If so, then obviously anyone with harmful intent or negative thoughts (even on their own personal level) would be shunned. Enough said.... [/color][/quote] Prove it.[/quote] Personally I don't need any more proof than the inherent instincts I possess and utilize daily as a humanoid. We all have it, it's just that most of us work hard at shutting it off. I daresay if you lived in the wilderness with the constant terror of your habitat and family being destroyed you would possess it too, in a heartbeat, no question. If you've ever had a small child you know exactly what I mean. No big stretch to imagine it is possible in this circumstance. Every parent should know the lengths to which we could go if we had to to protect our offspring. Veterans will also be very aware of this instinct, especially anyone who has experienced hand to hand combat. Your senses are heightened to the point of extrasensory perception. The blind would know this as well. Please keep questioning what you don't understand...it only shows your closed-minded arrogance and stupidity.
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